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htismaqe 01-23-2025 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17929423)
Yep. I don’t see any way the Bills play remotely conservative. Anything beyond our 40 yard line at 3rd and 4 or less will be automatic four down territory. And if they want those four yards in two straight running plays I just don’t see us stoping it.

Come on, man. Don't doom on us now.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-23-2025 10:15 AM

Also, can we figure something out to take advantage of the massive ****ing split Dion Dawkins takes from his guard?

There has to be pressures we can scheme with guys mugging that area that cause issues. There's simply no way he and the guard could block a DB who is going to sprint through that hole. Then you have to have a plan to corral Allen when he escapes left.

But this doesn't come into play unless its long yardage situations.

RunKC 01-23-2025 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17929428)
Allen is patient as hell this year and it's gonna be maddening if we just let him have wide open dump offs in the flats all day. I hope there's a plan to play those a lot tighter.

Zone coverage will help. And you kinda have to play that most of the time against this offense. Lot of 2-high where the corners can be aggressive coming down to tackle. I trust McDuffie and Watson way more to make those tackles than anyone else.

They did well on most of those as well as stopping the run last time in Buffalo. The problem was missed tackles. We missed a season high 13 tackles which I think ultimately cost us the game.

First drive Allen throws it 5 yards short of the 1st on 3rd down and Conner whiffs on Shakir badly. That ended up being a TD instead of a 4th and 4 FG attempt.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-23-2025 10:19 AM

Conner scares me to death. He's so high variance. He has intercepted Allen twice but the negative plays have been too frequent.

loochy 01-23-2025 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17929445)
Also, can we figure something out to take advantage of the massive ****ing split Dion Dawkins takes from his guard?

There has to be pressures we can scheme with guys mugging that area that cause issues. There's simply no way he and the guard could block a DB who is going to sprint through that hole. Then you have to have a plan to corral Allen when he escapes left.

But this doesn't come into play unless its long yardage situations.


Stunt if they aren't smart enough to run it in that situation

htismaqe 01-23-2025 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17929451)
They did well on most of those as well as stopping the run last time in Buffalo. The problem was missed tackles. We missed a season high 13 tackles which I think ultimately cost us the game.

First drive Allen throws it 5 yards short of the 1st on 3rd down and Conner whiffs on Shakir badly. That ended up being a TD instead of a 4th and 4 FG attempt.

Yep.

And none was worse than George on the last TD. He was literally a few inches from either stopping Allen or forcing a fumble. He just missed. Barely, but he missed.

O.city 01-23-2025 10:21 AM

Limit RAC and tackle. That's always been the key to slowing down these offenses.

O.city 01-23-2025 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17929432)
Patrick hasn’t been bad since the last Bills game. No turnovers. Sure the offense has struggled, but he hasn’t been missing guys very often.

The Hollywood drop is the perfect example. Elite pass dropped

He missed Hollywood on the first drive for a TD.

If we want a guy that's just gonna limit turnovers and not have explosives, Alex Smith is probably hanging around.

RunKC 01-23-2025 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17929453)
Conner scares me to death. He's so high variance. He has intercepted Allen twice but the negative plays have been too frequent.

Not an issue anymore. He was forced to play in the slot due to Watson being injured. Verderame pointed out that McDuffie wasn’t on Shakir one time.

That will not be the case this time

Mecca 01-23-2025 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17929445)
Also, can we figure something out to take advantage of the massive ****ing split Dion Dawkins takes from his guard?

There has to be pressures we can scheme with guys mugging that area that cause issues. There's simply no way he and the guard could block a DB who is going to sprint through that hole. Then you have to have a plan to corral Allen when he escapes left.

But this doesn't come into play unless its long yardage situations.

Their OT's do that on purpose, watch Spencer Brown if he gets beat inside he literally just spins off the guy and immediately gets back outside. Pretty sure it's an intentional plan to get guys out of their lanes. Rushers see this and think oh damn look at all that room...you take that bait and next thing you know both your ends are out of their lanes and Josh Allen is 10 yards up the field.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-23-2025 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17929469)
Not an issue anymore. He was forced to play in the slot due to Watson being injured. Verderame pointed out that McDuffie wasn’t on Shakir one time.

That will not be the case this time

You would hope. But Conner still played a bunch Saturday and he isn't gonna play boundary corner.

RunKC 01-23-2025 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17929466)
He missed Hollywood on the first drive for a TD.

If we want a guy that's just gonna limit turnovers and not have explosives, Alex Smith is probably hanging around.

Alex couldn’t score a single TD against the Steelers elite defense when it mattered despite the Steelers FG driven offense in the playoffs.

Meanwhile in that same situation on 3rd down…

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mr. tegu 01-23-2025 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17929435)
Come on, man. Don't doom on us now.


I don’t think that’s dooming. I think it’s just reality. Stopping them for those four yards if they run it twice is probably a 15% success rate for us considering their line and Allen running it.

Really no different than us having big advantages against their defense on third and medium or less. The Ravens were 70% on third down if I recall. I think we can do that as well.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-23-2025 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17929470)
Their OT's do that on purpose, watch Spencer Brown if he gets beat inside he literally just spins off the guy and immediately gets back outside. Pretty sure it's an intentional plan to get guys out of their lanes. Rushers see this and think oh damn look at all that room...you take that bait and next thing you know both your ends are out of their lanes and Josh Allen is 10 yards up the field.

You're 100% right, but that's why those guys can't be the ones doing it.

It has to be 3rd-and-long, DE or some other contain player on the edge, and a DB/LB running through the gap. Then Allen doesn't have an easy escape to the edge because you have a contain player.

I will be STUNNED if Joe Cullen and Chris Jones don't have our DL playing with the kind of discipline required to succeed Sunday. They did it last year in Buffalo, and they'll care enough about this game to do it again. It isn't about sacks whatsoever.

htismaqe 01-23-2025 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17929466)
He missed Hollywood on the first drive for a TD.

If we want a guy that's just gonna limit turnovers and not have explosives, Alex Smith is probably hanging around.

Dude, they need to confine you to RR for a couple of days. Posts like this shouldn't be made.


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