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Ace Gunner 07-24-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9831226)
You asked, I answered, the truth is the truth.

Alex Smith and Matt Cassel are so similar it's frightening.

ya, and the 49ers are so similar to the 18 - 0 pats cassel played with, it is frightening how ****ing lame you have been over AS.

Hammock Parties 07-24-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9831228)
ya, and the 49ers are so similar to the 18 - 0 pats cassel played with, it is frightening how ****ing lame you have been over AS.

Mostly you should be frightened that you made a post that sought to separate the two QBs, but it only made the comparison stronger when the data was revealed to you.

Mr. Laz 07-24-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9831192)
so, you think AS is going to get sacked 45 times, commit at least 25 fumbles & lose all his games this season?

I think if you switch matt cassel and Alex Smith around, you will get very similar results.

ie Alex Smith on the Chiefs with Todd Haley and co would be a train wreck just like with Cassel

Matt Cassel on the 49ers under Harbaugh would perform much better


now who would be better on the Chiefs under Reid? I think it's pretty safe to say Alex Smith but i don't think the difference overall would be a big as you think.

Ace Gunner 07-24-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9831235)
I think if you switch matt cassel and Alex Smith around, you will get very similar results.

ie Alex Smith on the Chiefs with Todd Haley and co would be a train wreck just like with Cassel

Matt Cassel on the 49ers under Harbaugh would perform much better


now who would be better on the Chiefs under Reid? I think it's pretty safe to say Alex Smith but i don't think the difference overall would be a big as you think.

I am never going to argue math stats with you folks, obviously that is dumb.

I see completely different players in these two QB's. the most glaring diff is that MC throws with a baseball wind up whereas AS has a normal desirable QB release. the next glaring diff is that AS has desirable ball placement whereas MC throws passes routinely that require WR's to be equipped with ass rockets in order to catch these "passes" that look more like punts or knuckle thrown baseballs that nobody seems to know where they end up.

Tombstone RJ 07-24-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9831251)
I am never going to argue math stats with you folks, obviously that is dumb.

I see completely different players in these two QB's. the most glaring diff is that MC throws with a baseball wind up whereas AS has a normal desirable QB release. the next glaring diff is that AS has desirable ball placement whereas MC throws passes routinely that require WR's to be equipped with ass rockets in order to catch these "passes" that look more like punts or knuckle thrown baseballs that nobody seems to know where they end up.

I need a rocket up my ass to catch that one, Matt.

Hammock Parties 07-24-2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9831251)
AS has a normal desirable QB release.

He doesn't. He has a funky release where he drops the ball down way too low. There's a weird windup.

It's not close to the ideal release.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-24-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9831260)
He doesn't. He has a funky release where he drops the ball down way too low. There's a weird windup.

It's not close to the ideal release.

Better than bad is good!/Lil' Chiefy

Ace Gunner 07-24-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9831260)
He doesn't. He has a funky release where he drops the ball down way too low. There's a weird windup.

It's not close to the ideal release.


MC's baseball pitcher from the stretch wind up gives defenses plenty of time to blanket the play. AS has a much quicker release and is actually pretty accurate throwing on the run, which is what you need in the NFL.

I'll take a look at his release point over the next month, but I don't recall he had the kind of variables in his motion you describe.

every QB has a couple trajectory points used to make certain types of throws, the good ones are very consistent and decisive as to which trajectory to use during a given play call. this area of AS's game is an area of strength, evidenced by his success throwing on the run.

but I'll keep this in mind as the season gets going.

Hammock Parties 07-24-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9831278)
I'll take a look at his release point over the next month, but I don't recall he had the kind of variables in his motion you describe.

LMAO

That's exactly what it is.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/9/1...iths-mechanics

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The first thing I noticed about Smith's throwing motion was irregular position the nose of the ball points toward when he winds up. The nose of the football is directed outward at an abstract angle, pointing away during his windup. Smith had this low-and-away windup where the ball would get as low as his midsection.

This prevented him from having a quick release because in Smith's windup, the ball had to travel too far before it was airborne.
Smith also repeatedly threw off-balance and with his numbers directly facing his target.

nychief 07-24-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9831280)



great Dylan DeSimone thinks alex smith has bad mechanics... for ****'s sake.

Jakemall 07-24-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9831280)
LMAO

That's exactly what it is.

"Old Article Quoted"

Part of the story. Alex's mechanics were off after he had his shoulder surgeries. In fact, he was blasted by a couple of NFL pundits for it. In off season prior to the 2012 season, he went to a throwing coach recommended by Drew Brees. Afterwards said pundits all remarked how much better his motion was.

Hammock Parties 07-24-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 9831285)
great Dylan DeSimone thinks alex smith has bad mechanics... for ****'s sake.

Do you even watch football? Have you seen Alex Smith play before?

That analysis is spot on, and it's not limited to that one person.

Back when we traded for Alex @TheFilmRoom on twitter was complaining about Alex's poor release. His low windup is one of the reasons he has so many fumbles throughout his career.

Anyway, the guy does not have a good release. It's better than Cassel's, but it's still pretty funky. It's not compact.

Jakemall 07-24-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9831290)
Do you even watch football? Have you seen Alex Smith play before?

That analysis is spot on, and it's not limited to that one person.

Back when we traded for Alex @TheFilmRoom on twitter was complaining about Alex's poor release. His low windup is one of the reasons he has so many fumbles throughout his career.

Anyway, the guy does not have a good release. It's better than Cassel's, but it's still pretty funky. It's not compact.

If you're going to make this comment, it applies to you as well...because if you really watched Alex, you'd have seen a huge difference in his motion form 2011 to 2012.

Pot meet kettle.

ptlyon 07-24-2013 11:16 AM

We really should go troll a Vikings board & see what this shit feels like

Rausch 07-24-2013 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9831299)
We really should go troll a Vikings board & see what this shit feels like

That would be pointless.

THEY ARE THE NFC VERSION OF US...


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