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RunKC 08-05-2016 02:48 PM

The depth all over the team is signficantly better. I feel like if DJ got hurt, March and Wilson starting at ILB wouldn't be a horrible thing at all.

The biggest holes I see are #4 OLB, swing tackle and maybe TE. We have meh players there right now. If we don't see improvement there, I'd attack those positions in the draft next year.

Anyong Bluth 08-05-2016 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 12353032)
For some reason Soren Petro refuses to buy in on Hill and said his ceiling is Dante Hall.

His ceiling is Antonio Brown.

For some, the older you get, the more skeptical or cynical you become. Soren has definitely gotten more cranky.

Besides, if you're a betting man, you don't lay money on him being the next Brown, and if you're wrong you've got plenty of backup as to why you rationalized it.

Hall at his peak was certainly a useful weapon, so it's not a terrible thing. I don't quite see it that way because Dante came out as a RB and never had been groomed as a WR. The Chiefs staff at the time I don't think would have been able to make him an every down wideout, nor did they really push for it because keeping his legs fresh for his return duties was more important to him being a homerun threat on special teams. No different than how the Bears limited Hester in their own offense, and when he got more involved in their offense his results on special teams took a dip.

Hill, imo, has more experience and a better feel for playing at receiver than both those guys. I also think that the coaching staff under Reid are more capable of grooming young receivers. Besides, it's an anomaly to see rookie WRs come in and hit the ground running either way, so it's not very likely that the question will be answered this season either way.

Anyong Bluth 08-05-2016 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 12353076)
Wohh...calm down. His ceiling might be Percy Harvin.

Percy Harvin never saw his own ceiling because of his own dumb behavior.

Anyong Bluth 08-05-2016 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 12353188)
Everyone on this forum told me Murray > Bray because: "Bray went undrafted..."

Lol


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Bray went undrafted because of his own immaturity. Murray doesn't hold a candle to the raw talent Bray has, and in a couple of weeks Murray is likely an afterthought.

Tribal Warfare 08-05-2016 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12353144)
Murray... It really does sound like the guy is going to be toast. Wonder when he will be cut.

Just watch he'll be on ABC's The Bachelor within the next 2 years. His bro is appearing next week

saphojunkie 08-05-2016 03:41 PM

Dante Hall did his damage after the ball was in his hands, as did Percy Harvin. Tyreek Hill does his damage getting open, not eluding tackles. It's just a different way of using speed+quickness. I also think Hill can convert quickness to speed a little better.

Having said that, we need to have a refresher on how good Dante Hall was. He was about 200x better than McCluster or DAT.

Look at this play. Two great moves then a FILTHY move and then the burners are on.

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Kiimo 08-05-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12353512)
For some, the older you get, the more skeptical or cynical you become. Soren has definitely gotten more cranky.

Besides, if you're a betting man, you don't lay money on him being the next Brown, and if you're wrong you've got plenty of backup as to why you rationalized it.

Hall at his peak was certainly a useful weapon, so it's not a terrible thing. I don't quite see it that way because Dante came out as a RB and never had been groomed as a WR. The Chiefs staff at the time I don't think would have been able to make him an every down wideout, nor did they really push for it because keeping his legs fresh for his return duties was more important to him being a homerun threat on special teams. No different than how the Bears limited Hester in their own offense, and when he got more involved in their offense his results on special teams took a dip.

Hill, imo, has more experience and a better feel for playing at receiver than both those guys. I also think that the coaching staff under Reid are more capable of grooming young receivers. Besides, it's an anomaly to see rookie WRs come in and hit the ground running either way, so it's not very likely that the question will be answered this season either way.


These are all good points. Dante Hall never ran a route like Hill has done all week in his life. That's why I was trying to force the Antonio comparison. They're the exact same height and weight and guys drafted late as returners.

But Hill has a deadly combination of types of speed and quickness. He's a receiver and I don't really see why he should be subject to injury on kick returns when Knile does a great job. Punts sure.

KChiefs1 08-05-2016 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 12353096)
getting word that nick foles arrived at camp 100 pounds overweight, wow



For a 350lb guy he looks pretty good.

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RealSNR 08-05-2016 06:49 PM

We should spank our monkeys daily if Tyreek Hill is as good as Dante Hall.

Consider the fact that Dante Hall was the first returner in discussion to break Brian Mitchell's distinction as the greatest return man in NFL history. Unfortunately for Hall, the backside of his career coincided with Hester's rise, so he's largely forgotten about by the rest of the league.

They're different players with different strengths, as both returners and offensive playmakers. Nevertheless, I don't consider the comparison to Hall as a slight to Hill.

staylor26 08-05-2016 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12353860)
We should spank our monkeys daily if Tyreek Hill is as good as Dante Hall.

Consider the fact that Dante Hall was the first returner in discussion to break Brian Mitchell's distinction as the greatest return man in NFL history. Unfortunately for Hall, the backside of his career coincided with Hester's rise, so he's largely forgotten about by the rest of the league.

They're different players with different strengths, as both returners and offensive playmakers. Nevertheless, I don't consider the comparison to Hall as a slight to Hill.

I love Dante Hall, and Hill might not ever be as great of a returner as he was, but it's pretty obvious he has more upside than that as an offensive player. It's just a terrible comparison.

I like the Brandin Cooks one myself, though I don't necessarily think he will be as good as Cooks will be.

DaneMcCloud 08-05-2016 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12353504)
The biggest holes I see are #4 OLB, swing tackle and maybe TE. We have meh players there right now. If we don't see improvement there, I'd attack those positions in the draft next year.

#4 OLB? Most teams don't even have two capable players, let alone four. They drafted Nicolas this year and while I think they probably draft a guy fairly early next year, I don't think it's going to be an issue in 2016.

As for tight end, O'Shaugnessy showed last year that he could catch the ball in traffic and that he was a decent blocker. I expect to see quite a bit of improvement this year, as he went through camp and several games before landing on IR.

Sitting in the film room, learning the terminology and getting stronger in the offseason were all very likely to help him in 2016.

RunKC 08-05-2016 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12353920)
#4 OLB? Most teams don't even have two capable players, let alone four. They drafted Nicolas this year and while I think they probably draft a guy fairly early next year, I don't think it's going to be an issue in 2016.

As for tight end, O'Shaugnessy showed last year that he could catch the ball in traffic and that he was a decent blocker. I expect to see quite a bit of improvement this year, as he went through camp and several games before landing on IR.

Sitting in the film room, learning the terminology and getting stronger in the offseason were all very likely to help him in 2016.

The 2017 draft is going to be stacked with a lot of very good OLB's like the 2016 draft had with DL. 2 of the 3 seasons in this regime we've had an Houston or Tamba hurt, so a #3 OLB has proven to be very important. With Tamba's contract, as well as his knees, it seems like he's only going to be here for 2 more years. It would be a wise investment to get an OLB to play as the 4th guy for a year and then take over for Tamba.
Yes we have Nicolas, but I'd still like to add to the depth there.

NJChiefsFan 08-05-2016 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12353494)
Carcosa is like a less well known 'penz.

I hope.

I thought his post on Foles being 100lbs overweight was hilarious and laughed out loud for a few seconds. I figured he was joking.

BlackOp 08-05-2016 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12353956)
The 2017 draft is going to be stacked with a lot of very good OLB's like the 2016 draft had with DL. 2 of the 3 seasons in this regime we've had an Houston or Tamba hurt, so a #3 OLB has proven to be very important. With Tamba's contract, as well as his knees, it seems like he's only going to be here for 2 more years. It would be a wise investment to get an OLB to play as the 4th guy for a year and then take over for Tamba.
Yes we have Nicolas, but I'd still like to add to the depth there.

This is Ford's chance...year 3 behind the tutelage of Hali/Houston. He has the entire pre-season to define himself against the 1st team...if he doesn't improve, he's not going to.

I would think Dorsey will be looking hard that that position if he remains average.

If March does in games what he's been doing in practice...it'll offer a lot of flexibility in the 2017 draft.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-05-2016 09:01 PM

Yeah I'm pretty sure every team in the league is thin at 4th OLB (PISS OFF SLOWMO)


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