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BigMeatballDave 06-28-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9781854)
no, I'm saying it's hard to cheer for guys like Dunta Robinson, Donnie Avery, and Mike Devito as upgrades and positive changes when their sample size on previous teams has been less than desired.

Our best players are still our Herm picks besides 2 guys and that is really sad in a 6 year span.

Avery caught 60 last year. What is wrong with that?

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9781870)
Nothing is looking good for him as it is right now. I maybe wrong about him after all, but I sure liked what he did at WC so I still think he can do good in the pros if he works hard enough for it. It may not be how hard he works but his smarts may hold him back? He has talent to be successful though.

Maybe?

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave (Post 9781874)
Avery caught 60 last year. What is wrong with that?

800 yards and 3 TD's, yet he claimed last night that Avery wasn't an upgrade over Steve Breaston and his 74 yards last season.

Rasputin 06-28-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9781868)
The biggest difference is that Matt Cassel went from the Spread offense, from Randy Moss and Wes Welker, to playing behind center with Dwayne Bowe as his only target.

Smith is coming from a similar offense with a single decent receiver to a team with a Top Three WR in Bowe, a solid veteran in Avery, as gadget receiver in McCluster and a similar tight end in Fasano.

Smith played lights out with lessor skilled players whereas Cassel played in an unconventional offense with greater players.

The parallels between the two players, other than compensation, don't exist.


Matt Cassel had BB on the sideline too. I think Matt Cassel played with fear and abandonment that he didn't want an earful if he missed up and had to go to the sidelines. He ran for first downs and had success moving the chains with his feet more than he did with his arm. We didn't get that out of Matt Cassel. That's how I remembered Matt Cassel doing it in NE.

Rasputin 06-28-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9781877)
Maybe?


Yes, maybe? I want to see how they do in preseason when it matters.

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9781883)
Yes, maybe? I want to see how they do in preseason when it matters.

The biggest reason why you were wrong is because you greatly overstated his value.

No one in the NFL viewed him as a first round draft prospect, let alone worthy of 1.1. Yet all you did for months (not that you were alone) is bitch and moan after the Alex Smith trade was announced because you were absolutely certain that Geno Smith was a day one Franchise QB.

Wrong.

Now, this doesn't preclude Smith from someday developing into an average to above average QB. But his actions on draft day and since seem to prove that he doesn't "get it".

Regardless, the Chiefs would have been a disaster in waiting had they selected Smith at 1.1 and signed Chase Daniel.

Marcellus 06-28-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9781873)
My biggest difference is that Cassel was a backup QB in every sense of the word... including his college days.

Smith is a starting QB... at all levels.

Major difference.

But I agree with your assessment as well.

Wait a freaking minute here.

Are you saying a guy who never started in college and was a 7th round pick is not the same talent level as a guy who was the 1st overall pick in the draft?

Rasputin 06-28-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9781886)
The biggest reason why you were wrong is because you greatly overstated his value.

No one in the NFL viewed him as a first round draft prospect, let alone worthy of 1.1. Yet all you did for months (not that you were alone) is bitch and moan after the Smith trade was announced because you were absolutely certain that Smith was a day one Franchise QB.

Wrong.

Now, this doesn't preclude Smith from someday developing into an average to above average QB. But his actions on draft day and since seem to prove that he doesn't "get it".

Regardless, the Chiefs would have been a disaster in waiting had they selected Smith at 1.1 and signed Chase Daniel.



I'm more upset if we give up an opportunity to draft a top prospect QB in next years draft by giving the niners another 2nd draft pick than passing on Geno Smith. I can live with Alex Smith being a stop gap if that is the plan & look at this years QB prospects & continue to upgrade in the draft. It's if he lives up to the mediocre way of the Chiefs and we are stuck in purgatory I'm worked up about.

Winning in the playoffs would prove me wrong.

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9781897)
I'm more upset if we give up an opportunity to draft a top prospect QB in next years draft by giving the niners another 2nd draft pick than passing on Geno Smith. I can live with Alex Smith being a stop gap if that is the plan & look at this years QB prospects & continue to upgrade in the draft. It's if he lives up to the mediocre way of the Chiefs and we are stuck in purgatory I'm worked up about.

Winning in the playoffs would prove me wrong.

So, you're "upset" about the possibility of drafting a QB in the second round, NEXT YEAR, before this team and QB have even played a preseason game this year?

What?

Rasputin 06-28-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9781900)
So, you're "upset" about the possibility of drafting a QB in the second round, NEXT YEAR, before this team and QB have even played a preseason game this year?

What?



I'm upset if the next four years go by that we don't have a draft pick QB under center giving us a chance to compete for Super Bowls.

If we are stuck with Alex Smith next for years & no Super Bowl or even playoff wins that matter then FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU**

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2013 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9781905)
I'm upset if the next four years go by that we don't have a draft pick QB under center giving us a chance to compete for Super Bowls.

If we are stuck with Alex Smith next for years & no Super Bowl or even playoff wins that matter then FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU**

:shake:

Rasputin 06-28-2013 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9781900)
So, you're "upset" about the possibility of drafting a QB in the second round, NEXT YEAR, before this team and QB have even played a preseason game this year?

What?



I'm upset if the next four years go by that we don't have a draft pick QB under center giving us a chance to compete for Super Bowls.

If we are stuck with Alex Smith next four years & no Super Bowl or even playoff wins that matter then FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU**

Marcellus 06-28-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9781905)
I'm upset if the next four years go by that we don't have a draft pick QB under center giving us a chance to compete for Super Bowls.

If we are stuck with Alex Smith next for years & no Super Bowl or even playoff wins that matter then FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU**

So you are upset about things that haven't happened and may never happen.

Genious.

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9781909)
I'm upset if the next four years go by that we don't have a draft pick QB under center giving us a chance to compete for Super Bowls.

If we are stuck with Alex Smith next four years & no Super Bowl or even playoff wins that matter then FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU**

:shake:

O.city 06-28-2013 02:27 PM

Looks like its time to kill this thread with fire. Double posts.


Ffs at least wait and see what happens with this regime before we declare it dead. I realize and get where some are coming from, after the past decade it's easy to be apathetic.

But hopefully this times different in that we actuall brought in guys who have proven they know what they're doing. While I, or anyone for that matter, probably doesn't agree with a few, some or all the moves they make/made, their history in the league gives them a benefit of the doubt.


Just sit back relax and see what happens


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