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Rausch 08-02-2005 01:06 PM
Hiring a HC that wants to hire completely different players to implement his offense/defense would be idiotic.

A lot of the starters on our offense are old but there's also a lot of young depth. Green likely has 2, perhaps 3 years left in him. LJ will step in for Priest, and he's proven he can produce. Gonzo probably has 5 years left. If we can find a way to replace Roaf and Shields with quality starters our offense will still be top 5 in the league.

Our defense is young. All three of our starting LB's are young. Outside of hicks our whole defensive line is young. Knight and Surtain aren't spring chickens but we've got plenty of depth at S and our only real area of concern would be CB.

The only holes this team will have over the next 2 to 3 years will be Offensive line, CB, and WR...

TRR 08-02-2005 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cormac
I agree. The reason I wouldn't want to see us start fresh is that different coaches with different schemes want different types of players. I don't think we need 75% roster turnover in the next 3 years. And I bet that's what would happen if we started with a completely new coaching staff. We have the players, and only need to replace the (many) older ones on the offensive side of the ball. Also, I like our asst. coaches (esp on offense). Guys like Solari, Shea, Saxon etc. Fresh starts are for teams that are going nowhere. Call me a homer, but I believe we're close, and have been for 2 years. I hope we can keep this going for a couple more years.
I agree. Other than Roaf and Shields and possibly Holmes, I don't see anyone of consequence that willl retire in the next 3 seasons.

jspchief 08-02-2005 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR
It may be a Ferentz type of coach, but I don't see him leaving Iowa for awhile. He's building a great thing there, and that's where he started under Frye. I don't see Ferentz leaving for the NFL anytime in the near future.

Green has at least 3 seasons left in KC. He got his start late, and is in the best shape of his playing career. 3 seasons would be enough to give Saunders a legitimate chance at building a team through his vision. Not a lot of NFL Coaches like to develop QB's anymore with so many good vets out there in FA/via trade every offseason. Unless KC has a high draft choice, or a QB falls to them, the next QB in KC will come via FA or trade in my opinion.
You may be right about Ferentz leaving Iowa, but I still believe he'd come to the NFL for the right job. KC seems like it would be right up his alley. I wouldn't call him anti-media, but he's not big on spotlight. Of course any big head coaching job will have a lot of spotlight on him, but I would think KC would be considerably better than many other teams. I also think he's like the idea of staying in the midwest.

Holthus was simply commenting on who they would likely pursue. That doesn't mean Ferentz will be receptive to the courtship.

Holthus also hinted that the FO is getting tired of the cliffhanger of whether or not Vermeil is going to really retire. He made it sound like Vermeil may not be our coach next year, regardless of whether he wants to come back. I assume that might change if we have a spectacular season.

TEX 08-02-2005 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYC75
CP and AS don't see eye to eye on many things. Why do you think CP passed on AS the first time ?
Posssibly but there is definately respect for each other despite their differences. Peterson has maintained that A.S. kept in contact with him even after he went to the Rams. There was MORE to it than what we think we know. IMO, A.S. had way more issues with Marty than he ever had with Peterson - and so would I if someone picked Jimmy Raye over me to be Offensive Coordinator. I still can't believe that one... :shake:

Chiefs Pantalones 08-02-2005 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadWolf
Why so pessimistic? I think that we're overcompensating for all the off-season hype over DJ and Surtain and Bell. It's okay to think that the team's going to be good this year. The first four games are a lot more managable than people realize. The Jets are at home, Oakland is overhyped, and Denver has Jake Plummer. The Eagles game doesn't even worry me, just look at the offseason they've had.

3-1 at the worst is my prediction.
I agree. I've been quietly optimistic about the first four games. I think we will be 3-1 at worst, with the only loss against Denver. I can see us going 4-0 with a couple bounces. This team is going to be good this year, there is just too much of a sense of urgency on this team, not just from us, but from the players and coaches. They know they are running out of time and it would be a huge disappointment if this team played like last year. The only thing slowing us down would be injuries.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Start fresh?? That's the DUMBEST idea I've heard in a long, long time. The reason teams like SF, Pittsburgh and Dallas were so successful for so long is that they didn't change their offensive system. The Chiefs finally have a great offense in place - a great system that utilizes the best of every player, whether it be offensive lineman, wide receivers, QB or running back. To completely change and bring in some college coach or another re-hashed old timer would be a waste of time. This team needs offensive continuity if it's going to continue to be successful.

They don't need another Marty Clone (Edwards, Cowher, etc.) or a West Coast offense disciple. Saunders needs to be given a minimum of 2 years as head coach. He's been in the top 5 of every offensive category since he's arrived and yes, any other coach who's ever done something close to that (whether it be on the offensive or defensive side of the ball) has become a head coach. Think Billick, Fassel, Nolan, Marvin Lewis, Dom Capers, etc. I don't want to see Saunders as a head coach anywhere else other than KC.

Dane
~Doesn't believe that interview anyway
What the **** are you talking about? Dallas had ZERO continuity. Jimmy Johnson and his staff were a 100% change from Landry and his bunch. Pittsburgh was the same. Cowher was a completely fresh start.

San Francisco was the EXCEPTION to the rule, largely because of the players they had, namely Steve Young.

As far as who we need, you're right, we don't need another Marty clone. We don't need a clone of ANYONE.

Think Billick, Fassel, Nolan, Lewis, Capers? I DID. ONE Super Bowl appearance amongst them.

Chiefs Pantalones 08-02-2005 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYC75
CP and AS don't see eye to eye on many things. Why do you think CP passed on AS the first time ?
When asked which QB both prefered, Gun said Grbac, Al said Gannon. That was some of it.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR
And the same amount of coordinators go on to be successful NFL Head Coaches. Start fresh? Why would you possibly want to give up arguably the best offensive mind in the NFL? Why would you want to start fresh? You even say he deserves to be a head coach, so why not KC? Saunders will bring new dimensions to the table than Vermeil.

You make absolutely no sense.
I absolutely make sense.

Read your statement again, like this:

And the same amount of coordinators go on to be successful NFL Head Coaches. Start fresh? Why would you possibly want to give up arguably the best defensive mind in the NFL? Why would you want to start fresh? You even say he deserves to be a head coach, so why not KC? Cunningham will bring new dimensions to the table than Schottenheimer.

jspchief 08-02-2005 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Think Billick, Fassel, Nolan, Lewis, Capers? I DID. ONE Super Bowl appearance amongst them.
Actually, two. Billick faced Fassel, and whipped his ass.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock
I don't know if that's true, but I think Saunders will almost certainly be the next head coach, especially if the team does well this year.
I thought so too, until recently. Carl and Saunders don't get along.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TEX
Gun and Saunders are two different people who coached two totally different teams in different decades...

What was Shanahan's record while in Oakland? What has he done in Denver? Wonder what would have been had he not gotten a second chance?
What was Shanahan's record without John Elway, regardless of where it was?

Exactly.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief
Actually, two. Billick faced Fassel, and whipped his ass.
Oops, I forgot Fassel.

I'm sure you can see why I left him out. :D

Rausch 08-02-2005 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I absolutely make sense.

Read your statement again, like this:

And the same amount of coordinators go on to be successful NFL Head Coaches. Start fresh? Why would you possibly want to give up arguably the best defensive mind in the NFL? Why would you want to start fresh? You even say he deserves to be a head coach, so why not KC? Cunningham will bring new dimensions to the table than Schottenheimer.
For the sake of argument lets say DV is definitely gone next year.

Looking around the league I don't see any of the top 10 coaches getting fired or reaching the end of their contracts, so the idea of landing a big name who's already been a HC looks unlikely.

That means we'll hire:

A) A college coach.
B) An NFL coordinator
C) Promote a coach in-house.

Which of those three options looks the best to you?...

Jenson71 08-02-2005 01:30 PM
What are the chances of F. Mitchell starting this year?

Thig Lyfe 08-02-2005 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jenson71
What are the chances of F. Mitchell starting this year?
.00001%


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