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kcxiv 01-08-2007 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by penchief
He's never had a good defense that didn't consist of Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Dale Carter, or James Hasty. I agree that it takes good players but I also think it takes a good defensive coordinator and I don't think Gunther is a good one. I think this is Herman Edwards' defense, not Gunther's. I think Gunther's job is to implement Herm's defense.

Hali is the only regular other than Law (mediocre season) and the journeymen DTs (Reed & Edwards) that is new to this defense. Page has great potential but as far as this season goes his contributions have been sometimes spectacular but overall modest. The players that Gunther brought in have either been busts or are already gone (Siavvi, Bell, etc.)

I think the best thing that could happen to this team is a new offensive coordinator. If Herm were not a defensive-minded coach we'd need a new defensive coordinator, too. I know that both Peterson and Edwards are loyal to Gunther and I don't think Cunningham has the menatality to resign if he thought he wasn't up to the task. So I think we're stuck with him. He's fiery and he might make a good linebackers coach but I don't think he's a good defensive coordinator.

The difference between this year's defense and last year's defense is Herman Edwards, the 2006 draft, a couple of journeyman DTs, and the new scheme, all of which are Edward's doing. Blitz happy Gunther only knows how to telegraph blitzes. When that doesn't work then he's lost, IMO.

First, off, Peterson is NOT loyal to Guntharr, if he was he wouldnt have fired hiim over the internet. SO we can lay that to rest.

2ndly, the D showed flashes of bieng good last year. they were inconsistant as hell, but they were making progress.


About Gun only knowing blitz's how did he contain Manning? The announcers during saturdays game said they talked to Gun before the game, and he told them he would not blitz much becuase Manning will burn you. WHile Herm may have a little bit to do with what he wants ran. I am prettty sure it was Guntharr's gameplan. I could be wrong, but you could be too, we really dont know as we dont know Herm ro Gun personally.

THen you talk about some of the busts Gun brought in. What about some of the people that he did pick up? Allen, DJ, and Surtain.

Hell Patriots tried to get ****ing Warfield on their team. Everyone makes a mistake.


I could care less of Gun stays or goes.I want the Chiefs to do what they gotta do to win, but most people here just have so much hate towards something they wont even look at both sides of it.

Extra Point 01-08-2007 11:01 AM

We were a 4-12 team that finished 9-7. Two weeks from now, it's business as usual. Next slogan:

The Kansas City Chiefs: Lowering fan expectations for over thirty years, and performing beyond them!

Chiefnj 01-08-2007 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
Please, provide us with the name of a DC that can use the Chiefs 2005 roster and dominate opponents.

Don't blame the roster. That was Gunther's roster. Gun asked for those players. They were handpicked by him. If he couldn't get them to play well, it's his fault.

htismaqe 01-08-2007 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
Please, provide us with the name of a DC that can use the Chiefs 2005 roster and dominate opponents.

Rob Ryan.

He took a defense with arguably LESS talent and he not only produced, he did so in spite of an offense that played like we did on Saturday for an ENTIRE SEASON.

Mr. Laz 01-08-2007 11:12 AM

wow ... i don't think i was around when KcJohnny was in full force last time.

dude is passionate ... gotta give him that. LMAO

KCJohnny 01-08-2007 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Rob Ryan.

He took a defense with arguably LESS talent and he not only produced, he did so in spite of an offense that played like we did on Saturday for an ENTIRE SEASON.

Fair enough. Still, I'll take Gun over Ryan head-to-head. Good point, though.

htismaqe 01-08-2007 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
Fair enough. Still, I'll take Gun over Ryan head-to-head. Good point, though.

So I have a good point, but you'd still take Gun? At least you're willing to admit your bias.

KCJohnny 01-08-2007 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
So I have a good point, but you'd still take Gun? At least you're willing to admit your bias.

Every word I post on here is unmitigated bias embellished with self-aggrandizing bombast. I thought that was the point. :shrug:

Mile High Mania 01-08-2007 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz
wow ... i don't think i was around when KcJohnny was in full force last time.

dude is passionate ... gotta give him that. LMAO

Well, Gunther signed something for him and mailed it to him... that cemented KCJ's devotion to the dude.

penchief 01-08-2007 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv
First, off, Peterson is NOT loyal to Guntharr, if he was he wouldnt have fired hiim over the internet. SO we can lay that to rest.

That's why Peterson brought him back, right? Why would he have done that? Why did Gunther return? Peterson's love for Gunther has been well-documented. Why else would a GM in the NFL bring back a guy that he fired previously regardless of his performance? Loyalty would be my guess.

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Originally Posted by kcxiv
2ndly, the D showed flashes of bieng good last year. they were inconsistant as hell, but they were making progress.

When you have few outstanding players (Allen, DJ) you will show flashes but not consistency. Great players alone do not guarantee consistency. Good coaching and a good scheme go farther in doing that. The credit goes to Herm, IMO.

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Originally Posted by kcxiv
About Gun only knowing blitz's how did he contain Manning? The announcers during saturdays game said they talked to Gun before the game, and he told them he would not blitz much becuase Manning will burn you. WHile Herm may have a little bit to do with what he wants ran. I am prettty sure it was Guntharr's gameplan. I could be wrong, but you could be too, we really dont know as we dont know Herm ro Gun personally.

I'm pretty sure it was Herm's gameplan.


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Originally Posted by kcxiv
THen you talk about some of the busts Gun brought in. What about some of the people that he did pick up? Allen, DJ, and Surtain.

I don't know but I'll bet Allen was Vermeil's choice because he reminded him of his beloved Grant Wistrom. Gunther has tended to prefer project/potential guys like Siavvi/Battle/Bartee/Carlos Hall, etc. rather than production guys like Allen and Hali. Derrick Johnson was a no-brainer that we were fortunate to have fall to us.

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Originally Posted by kcxiv
I could care less of Gun stays or goes.I want the Chiefs to do what they gotta do to win, but most people here just have so much hate towards something they wont even look at both sides of it.

I hardly have hatred for Gunther. I like the guy. I just don't have any faith in his ability to orchestrate a top tier defense without a defensive-minded head coach like Herm or Marty looking over his shoulder.

WilliamTheIrish 01-08-2007 12:12 PM

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Hell Patriots tried to get ****ing Warfield on their team. Everyone makes a mistake.
They didn't play him for 6 years. They didn't give him 28 million dollars.

KCJohnny 01-08-2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by penchief
That's why Peterson brought him back, right? Why would he have done that? Why did Gunther return? Peterson's love for Gunther has been well-documented. Why else would a GM in the NFL bring back a guy that he fired previously regardless of his performance? Loyalty would be my guess.

It was Mr. Hunt who directed CP to bring Gun back.

Brock 01-08-2007 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
It was Mr. Hunt who directed CP to bring Gun back.

Ha ha. Yeah right.

KCJohnny 01-08-2007 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock
Ha ha. Yeah right.

I guess you don't get local TV.

58-4ever 01-08-2007 12:42 PM

This topic is laughable. The same Gun that refused to blitz two crappy quarterbacks in Cleveland? Ha. ROFL


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