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Bannister Mall closing for Good at end of may (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=162884)

Micjones

01-22-2009 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 5416288)

I'd be interested in seeing some reports. My perception of the problems at Bannister Mall is not from personal experience.

I think the prevailing perceptions of the area come from people who haven't had personal experiences there.

I lived and worked in the area for most of my life.

Demonpenz

01-22-2009 02:17 PM

I lived in apartment complex down there for awhile I never had any real problems. Just alittle urban for me. I always had fun when the quick trip turned into a club after midnight :)

Dartgod

01-22-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5416296)

I think the prevailing perceptions of the area come from people who haven't had personal experiences there.

I lived and worked in the area for most of my life.

I'm certain that the majority of people that shopped there didn't experience a mugging or other violent crime. That doesn't mean it wasn't a problem.

Can you point me to the report you referred to? (crime rates @ Bannister vs. Oak Park Malls)

dallaschiefsfan

01-22-2009 02:21 PM

Good riddance. The mall was great when it opened. The neighborhood treated it like sh**. If you treat your house like shi**, it's gonna get torn down eventually. Hell...it wasn't like it was the blue ridge mall--which was super-old already.

Independence Center has stayed open, I see. I'm curious as to why it has stayed solvent?

Micjones

01-22-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 5416313)

I'm certain that the majority of people that shopped there didn't experience a mugging or other violent crime. That doesn't mean it wasn't a problem.

I never attempted to gloss over that fact.
My point was simply that the prevailing perceptions always come in stage left from people who haven't had real experiences there. And they tend to overstate the realities in those areas.

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Can you point me to the report you referred to? (crime rates @ Bannister vs. Oak Park Malls)

I'll have to dig to find the official report.
It's been a while...

SAUTO

01-22-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5416026)

I acknowledged that crime was a factor in saying that the story was much more complicated than that.

WHERE? you went into detail on everything else but glossed over that fact

SAUTO

01-22-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5416279)

I lived in the South Kansas City for all but about 4.5 years of my life.
The perception of the occupying demographic (much darker than in years past) and crime in the area is quite a bit more significant than the actual increase in crime.

Oak Park Mall, according to statistics, has often reported a higher rate of crime than did Bannister Mall. (Not) Surprisingly the perception of that area is quite a bit different.

what about the area directly leading to the malls? i would say that the area around bannister is MUCH worse than the area around oak park

wutamess

01-22-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5416279)

I lived in the South Kansas City for all but about 4.5 years of my life.
The perception of the occupying demographic (much darker than in years past) and crime in the area is quite a bit more significant than the actual increase in crime.

Oak Park Mall, according to statistics, has often reported a higher rate of crime than did Bannister Mall. (Not) Surprisingly the perception of that area is quite a bit different.

Sounds good. :rolleyes:
But in reality when the bus lines let all the "hood" into Hypermart area the mall didn't have a chance.

Maybe the crime rates were more in OP but I'm willing to bet the violent crimes weren't higher.

So what Johnny ran out of OP Dillards with a jacket... It's not as bad as someone carjacked in the parking lot at Christmas time at Bannister.

I went to school right around the corner from there. And grew up most of my life there also.

SAUTO

01-22-2009 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5416326)

I never attempted to gloss over that fact.
My point was simply that the prevailing perceptions always come in stage left from people who haven't had real experiences there. And they tend to overstate the realities in those areas.

I'll have to dig to find the official report.
It's been a while...

not where my perception came from

SAUTO

01-22-2009 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 5416382)

Sounds good. :rolleyes:
But in reality when the bus lines let all the "hood" into Hypermart area the mall didn't have a chance.

Maybe the crime rates were more in OP but I'm willing to bet the violent crimes weren't higher.

So what Johnny ran out of Dillards with a jacket... It's not as bad as someone carjacked in the parking lot at Christmas time at Bannister.
I went to school right around the corner from there.

QFT whole post actually

wutamess

01-22-2009 02:48 PM

nm I'm dumb.

dallaschiefsfan

01-22-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5416296)

I think the prevailing perceptions of the area come from people who haven't had personal experiences there.

I lived and worked in the area for most of my life.

Dad was a KC Police officer there for most of my life. He couldn't even be off-duty without seeing (and intervening in) some random crime being perpetrated in or near that mall. No doubt about it. This place was a hole. Period. That whole area needed a Giuliani-style crack down for years.

bobbymitch

01-22-2009 03:05 PM

We lived in Raytown when they built the place. At the time it was great. Among the stores was one called the Village Set. They kept records of what the women bought and what sizes. So, us males could go in to do some Christmas or birthday shopping, they would pull up the card and guide us in color and size selection. What a fantastic operation.

What made us stop going there, were the groups of kids. They would wander about, being loud, and would walk down the corridors 5 and 6 side by side. They wouldn't move or let anyone get by them. It just got down right uncomfortable, so we went elsewhere.

The same goes for the HyperMart after awhile.

Deberg_1990

01-22-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5415973)

This story is so much more complicated than people are willing to admit.

It incorporates White flight (back to the urban core), falling property values, lost anchor stores that propped the mall up, the decline of a once bustling Benjamin Plaza, the decline in popularity of enclosed malls, middle class families moving East in to Lee's Summit/Independence/Blue Springs, shifts in disposable income with the occupying demographic, etc. etc.

That said, I had some wonderful memories at that mall.
I once worked there in the movie theater (United Artists).
I grew up in South Kansas City...It'll always have a special place in my heart.

We're on the verge of another failed Kansas City development sinkhole that'll quickly get stale and cost us millions upon millions of dollars.

*Yawn*

Well said.

Ill just prefer to remember that mall in its Glory days in the 1980's.

It definately was the place to be back then.

Micjones

01-22-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5416375)

WHERE? you went into detail on everything else but glossed over that fact

Not like "much more" means "in addition to" or "and"...
I get it though. Playing dumb is the ChiefsPlanet way.

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