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'Hamas' Jenkins 04-24-2008 11:27 AM

So, which player will The Sporting News select to go in the first round this year who won't even be drafted?

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-24-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4705865)
He only asked for something pointing out he took plays off... or something along those lines, I'm not going to look it up again.

And I really don't care that I go out on a limb by myself or a with a limited few. I just don't appreciate being refered to as a "dumbass" or something along those lines for having my own opinion.

A dumbass is someone who says that Gholston lacks a motor when it's considered one of his greatest strengths and the same friggin' argument has been made 10 times on here in the last two days.

bkkcoh 04-24-2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4705669)
What potential?

The guy had 14 sacks in a better conference than Chris Long, and he's a much better athlete.

This isn't like we are drafting Mike Mamula.

You can't just try and draft Tamba Hali every time and expect to build a championship team. When you are drafting early you need to draft difference makers, and that's something Gholston is and Long will never be.

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 4705592)
Im thinking you want gholston at #5, who else would you rather have if we don't pick him

I like the potential he offers


The potential was what Sure-Oz's comments, not mine.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-24-2008 11:36 AM

And any scouting report that says Vernon Gholston could play D-Tackle should be burned and then pissed on.

Coogs 04-24-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4705877)
A dumbass is someone who says that Gholston lacks a motor when it's considered one of his greatest strengths and the same friggin' argument has been made 10 times on here in the last two days.

As I was saying.

I made a point yesterday that some of the talking heads on TV said if you watch the tape of Gholston... he disappears. And for taking their word for it, I was tossed into the dumbass group.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-24-2008 11:37 AM

Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around.

I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect.

Chiefnj2 04-24-2008 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4705877)
A dumbass is someone who says that Gholston lacks a motor when it's considered one of his greatest strengths and the same friggin' argument has been made 10 times on here in the last two days.

You were provided the multiple sources that you said didn't exist. It's time to STFU and STFD.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-24-2008 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4705909)
As I was saying.

I made a point yesterday that some of the talking heads on TV said if you watch the tape of Gholston... he disappears. And for taking their word for it, I was tossed into the dumbass group.

You gotta consider your sources. Merril Hoge shouldn't be trusted to start an electric weed-eater, let alone give draft advice.

It's the same thing with TSN. When your source says that a guy who is 265 could play DT, they need to have their head examined.

It's like trusting Athan for draft advice (completely homer-filled mock), or Adam Teicher. Look at that mock Teicher made today. If that doesn't speak to a complete lack of understanding of what the purpose of the draft is, I don't know what does.

OnTheWarpath15 04-24-2008 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4705909)
As I was saying.

I made a point yesterday that some of the talking heads on TV said if you watch the tape of Gholston... he disappears. And for taking their word for it, I was tossed into the dumbass group.

Not saying it's right, but probably because you formed your opinion on what some TV talking head said, instead of forming your own opinion.

Regardless, your good by me. Opinions is what makes this place go.

suds79 04-24-2008 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4705911)
Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around.

I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect.

Is it possible that most people want to go for Chris Long because they feel he's simply better? Just curious.

That seems to be the word from a lot of analysis. Now before I get the "those draft experts don't know shit" common blast, I will say that I would take their word over any BB poster.

It mean it is their job to research this stuff 24 - 7.

Coogs 04-24-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4705922)
Not saying it's right, but probably because you formed your opinion on what some TV talking head said, instead of forming your own opinion.

I don't have any tape to form my own opinion on. I watch a lot of college football too. But Ohio State is not one of the teams I enjoy watching, so I usually watch another game instead. And I am cool with you OTW58. :toast:

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-24-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4705917)
You were provided the multiple sources that you said didn't exist. It's time to STFU and STFD.

Look, you ignorant c*nt. If you want to put your stock in a scouting report that says that Gholston could play D-Tackle, well I suggest you might as well have unprotected sex with a bisexual heroin-addicted Botswanan prostitute.


Scott Wright >> Direckshun>>> Mel Kiper >>> A drooling reerun >>>> The Sporting News.

Sure-Oz 04-24-2008 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4705911)
Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around.

I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect.

Chris Long seems to be more of a finished product and ready to go where as gholston is a freak and could get tons better, or regress....if its up to me i would rather go with gholston first

JBucc 04-24-2008 11:44 AM

I think Gholston would be great as a 3-4 pass rusher where he could bull rush the QB, run downhill. But I haven't seen many moves from him to think he'll be a great 4-3 DE. When I watch him he's very stiff and just relies completely on his speed to run by someone, no spins, no rips or sidesteps. Doesn't use his hands very well. He's not a Dwight Freeney or Osi Umenyiora type player with a good set of moves to get by someone to go along with speed.

bkkcoh 04-24-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4705931)
I don't have any tape to form my own opinion on. I watch a lot of college football to. But Ohio State is not one of the teams I enjoy watching, so I usually watch another game instead. And I am cool with you OTW58. :toast:

Being in the Columbus area, O$U was on the tube every game (have Direct TV) and Gholston did hide at times in games....

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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 4705926)
Is it possible that most people want to go for Chris Long because they feel he's simply better? Just curious.

That seems to be the word from a lot of analysis. Now before I get the "those draft experts don't know shit" common blast, I will say that I would take their word over any BB poster.

It mean it is their job to research this stuff 24 - 7.

Exactly, and most of the time they are former players.


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