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talastan 05-14-2008 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4750972)
I know what you're getting at...it's a win-win situation is what you're saying. I disagree ONLY for the fact that this franchise will be, once again, behind.
I fail to see how we'll be behind. We're not going to the playoffs this year or next more than likely. Another decent draft like this year and we'll have a good set up and depth at many positions, O-line especially! Then depending on how Brodie does this year, we'll either have our QB, or we'll draft a top prospect that will have a decent group of players surrounding him.:thumb:

FAX 05-14-2008 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 4750858)
LMAO at some of you people. Croyle isn't worth the shit he wipes off his boots after he gets done duck hunting. I know, I know, we haven't seen him with an oline, yada yada. That's OK!!!!, as Herm would say, because you guys will see the proof this year that he's shit. I've already seen enough though.
Faith, Mr. Vanilla Thunder. Faith. It can move a mountain, quell the storm, and make us a friggin' quarterback.

FAX

DaneMcCloud 05-15-2008 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4751107)
Faith, Mr. Vanilla Thunder. Faith. It can move a mountain, quell the storm, and make us a friggin' quarterback.

FAX
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side kid"

Han Solo

Third Eye 05-15-2008 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 4751205)
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side kid"

Han Solo
Luke would've kicked his ass though.

Micjones 05-15-2008 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 4750758)
The evidence in front of you for Croyle has been shown to be comparable to HOF QBs in their first starts...
He should never be mentioned in the same breath with Hall of Fame QB's.
It's beyond me why he ever was. You can't expect to forecast his future by pitting him against players who are some of the very best to EVER play the game.

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The fact that you wouldn't give him any more time because of where he was picked doesn't change that fact.
That's the way of the NFL. Players drafted in higher rounds get more time to prove themselves than middle and late round picks. That can't even be argued. Why you've made this into my own personal philosophy speaks volumes.

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Whether he has the requisite skills or not is your opinion.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
But isn't that what the entire thread is composed of? Opinion?

I can say that he hasn't proven he has the requisite skills.
You wanna argue that?

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Obviously those in charge don't agree with your assessment.
And those three people are...
*A man who wanted Damon Huard to run the offense just one year ago
*A defense-oriented coach
*A coach who has only had a modicum of success in the now defunct NFLEL

You got me there Chief.
:rolleyes:

Frankie 05-15-2008 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4751514)
He should never be mentioned in the same breath with Hall of Fame QB's.
Sometime after Tom Brady's 2nd year in the league, I'm sure someone said that.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4751514)
That's the way of the NFL. Players drafted in higher rounds get more time to prove themselves than middle and late round picks.
Croyle was a first day draftee. That's a high enough investment. Again, joe Montana was also a 3rd rounder. If you were in charge of the Niners they'd be minus 3 SB wins.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4751514)
And those three people are...
*A man who wanted Damon Huard to run the offense just one year ago
*A defensive-oriented coach
*A coach who has only had a modicum of success in the now defunct NFLEL
Nevertheless, they have a better vantage point to observe BC than you and I.

Fish 05-15-2008 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4751514)
He should never be mentioned in the same breath with Hall of Fame QB's.
It's beyond me why he ever was. You can't expect to forecast his future by pitting him against players who are some of the very best to EVER play the game.

That's the way of the NFL. Players drafted in higher rounds get more time to prove themselves than middle and late round picks. That can't even be argued. Why you've made this into my own personal philosophy speaks volumes.

Thanks Captain Obvious.
But isn't that what the entire thread is composed of? Opinion?

I can say that he hasn't proven he has the requisite skills.
You wanna argue that?

And those three people are...
*A man who wanted Damon Huard to run the offense just one year ago
*A defensive-oriented coach
*A coach who has only had a modicum of success in the now defunct NFLEL

You got me there Chief.
:rolleyes:
It's humorous that you think so little of him that you feel he shouldn't even be compared to other QBs. The fact that you won't even acknowledge the similarity in first game starts shows your bias. Would it have been wrong to compare Aikman or Elway in their first 6 starts to HOF QBs at that time? What's the requirements for this comparison rule you think exists?

And I don't know how you can say that's the way of the NFL. Simply looking at the current list of starting QBs proves that to be wrong. By your standards, players like Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Marc Bulger, and David Gerrard should have never seen the field. I'm glad head coaches don't share your opinion. You're right about the "personal philosophy" part being your own though.

Easy 6 05-15-2008 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4751538)
Sometime after Tom Brady's 2nd year in the league, I'm sure someone said that.

Croyle was a first day draftee. That's a high enough investment. Again, joe Montana was also a 3rd rounder. If you were in charge of the Niners they'd be minus 3 SB wins.



Nevertheless, they have a better vantage point to observe BC than you and I.
Good post Frankster, none of us can be 100% sure of Brodies future success/failure...but Micjones wont give even a little credence to the good points made in favor of Brodie.

I dont know that i've ever seen Mj concede a single point about anything.

Stubborn as a mule.

Mr. Flopnuts 05-15-2008 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 4751558)
Good post Frankster, none of us can be 100% sure of Brodies future success/failure...but Micjones wont give even a little credence to the good points made in favor of Brodie.

I dont know that i've ever seen Mj concede a single point about anything.

Stubborn as a mule.
He is definitely passionate about his convictions, but he'll admit when he's wrong. He's not always open minded, but who is? Solid poster that Mic Jones.

beach tribe 05-15-2008 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 4751558)
Good post Frankster, none of us can be 100% sure of Brodies future success/failure...but Micjones wont give even a little credence to the good points made in favor of Brodie.

I dont know that i've ever seen Mj concede a single point about anything.

Stubborn as a mule.
That's why I said Mj personally doesn't like him.

I don't mean, he knows him, and think he's a shithead.

I mean HE personally doesn't want him to be our QB.

Micjones 05-15-2008 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4751538)
Croyle was a first day draftee. That's a high enough investment.
That's not much of an investment for a QB.
Incidentally the Third Round now falls on Day 2.

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Again, joe Montana was also a 3rd rounder. If you were in charge of the Niners they'd be minus 3 SB wins.
The more you guys name drop Hall of Fame QB's the worse your arguments get.

Through Croyle's first 231 Passing Attempts:
6 TD
8 INT
1,250 Passing Yards

Through Montana's first 219 Passing Attempts:
14 TD
7 INT
1,506 Passing Yards

Yeah, they stuck with him to avoid burning that Third Round pick.
He certainly didn't earn it.
:rolleyes:

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Nevertheless, they have a better vantage point to observe BC than you and I.
Don't give me the "NFL football is so esoteric" spiel.
The only thing I don't have access to is how he's performed in practice, OTA's, and mini-camps. I have seen him take the field though. I've seen every single performance. You really expect me to believe that information is less valuable than what he does in shells?

*Walks out of thread shaking his head*

Chiefnj2 05-15-2008 11:04 AM
I don't realistically see how the team will have a complete picture of Croyle at the end of the 2008 season. New OL, new system, inexperienced WR's. I don't think any young QB would do well in that situation.

suds79 05-15-2008 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4751661)
I don't realistically see how the team will have a complete picture of Croyle at the end of the 2008 season. New OL, new system, inexperienced WR's. I don't think any young QB would do well in that situation.
That's a solid point but I don't think they're exactly expecting him to light up opposing defenses every week.

I'd imagine they're looking for steady improvement.

I think it was in the KC Star (or could be Warpaint Ill) that I saw that the writer had expectations similar to Jay Cutler's 2nd season.

3,497 yards - 20 TDs - 14 Ints.

I don't think asking for something similar to that is asking too much.

Hammock Parties 05-15-2008 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 4751669)
I think it was in the KC Star (or could be Warpaint Ill) that I saw that the writer had expectations similar to Jay Cutler's 2nd season.

3,497 yards - 20 TDs - 14 Ints.

I don't think asking for something similar to that is asking too much.
That was me. And yes, I think that's fair.

suds79 05-15-2008 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE (Post 4751673)
That was me. And yes, I think that's fair.
Oh my bad. Anyways, I completely agree with you. :thumb:


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