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CoMoChief 09-18-2008 04:54 PM

These are the Facts:

1. We have no REAL answer at the most important position in the game, and until we do, this offense isn't going to be very good.

2. Thigpen was drafted in the 7th round by the Vikings, the same team that drafted a shitty Tavaris Jackson. Thigpen couldn't even beat him out and the Vikes were going to place Thigpen on their PS.

3. The only times this offense has seen a shed of light in the reg season, Huard was taking snaps. Huard led us down to the redzone and gave us a chance to tie the Pats. Huard was the one placing balls up over defenders in preseason to Bowe with touch.....a throw that Croyle can't make because he has no touch whatsoever.

4. We keep signing other teams trash and camp fodder journeymen, hoping they are the next Tom Brady or ****ing Slash Kordell Stweart.

5. Our team should be financially penalized by league offices for even thinking about running the option in this ****ing league. Good lord.

ChiefsCountry 09-18-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5032440)
3. The only times this offense has seen a shed of light in the reg season, Huard was taking snaps. Huard led us down to the redzone and gave us a chance to tie the Pats. Huard was the one placing balls up over defenders in preseason to Bowe with touch.....a throw that Croyle can't make because he has no touch whatsoever.

This has been proven wrong but you keep ignoring it.

Brock 09-18-2008 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5032410)
It's not. But people bitch when I say there's a reason why Thigpen was drafted in the 7th round. 99% of those people don't amount to shit in the NFL let alone even make a roster spot. Most are just camp fodder and PS players.

Then people IMMEDIATELY bring up the Tom Brady scenario. Which is fine. They are both late round picks. The point is the ENTIRE NFL passed on him and a guy like Brady only comes around once every decade. Thigpen won't become a franchise QB like that. It's silly to even think it's possible and I'm not the one wanting to waste regular season games to see what he can do when we had all of training camp and he played the majority of snaps in preseason. He didn't show anything special, if he did he would have gotten a chance to compete for the starting job.

But you're willing to waste regular season games on an old, scared wobbly pass throwing guy who is as good as he'll ever be. Makes no sense to me.

keg in kc 09-18-2008 05:07 PM

CoMoChief is Carl Peterson's handle here, that's the only explanation I can think of. 'cause I've never seen anyone else try so hard to push a washed-up cast-off.

Micjones 09-18-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5032251)
You may think so. I don't.

Unless you have more compelling information than the numbers that've been posted that claim is baseless.

Micjones 09-18-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5032246)
I heard the same thing, Mr. Micjones. More and more, Herm's sounding like a man lost. If you didn't know better, you might think that he's bitten off a little more than he can chew with this whole "rebuild" deal and he's just beginning to realize it.

FAX

His loyalty to a dated philosophy of how to win in the NFL is his biggest problem. That and he does a horrible job delegating responsibility.

If he could just do something about those two things he might deserved to be called a Head Coach in the NFL.

CoMoChief 09-18-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5032449)
But you're willing to waste regular season games on an old, scared wobbly pass throwing guy who is as good as he'll ever be. Makes no sense to me.

He's our best chance to win the ****ing game man. It may not be a good chance....but it's the only thing we have now. face it, I know our entire group of Qb's are ****ing dogshit.....thats a fact and I'm not denying the fact.

You still want to win games dont you? Or do you want to whine and bitch about how much we suck week in and week out on Chiefsplanet all ****ing day?

When Croyle is healthy then fine...put him back in....he originally was the starter.....but playing Thigpen and Hagans in regular season games and expecting this team to grow and improve and win is just laughable and silly to think its even possible. This is a better team than it was when Huard went 5-3 in 2006. Theres no reason why he shouldnt be able to do it again. The Oline is better........the playcalling seriously needs to improve.

Micjones 09-18-2008 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5032253)
Since the offense has scored 1 TD with Huard and 1 TD with Thigpen, I'm not sure how the offense has "clearly played better when [Huard's] in there taking snaps". And he's thrown two picks. Although you'd think he should perform a lot better, since Thigpen's had virtually no work with the starting offense and was essentially thrown in there to sink or swim. Be a little easier to compare the two come Sunday, now that Thigpen's getting all the snaps in practice this week.

Huard's past as a Chiefs signal caller is significant to this discussion.
He's show as recently as the Detroit game that he could produce with the weapons available to him. In a game where Croyle could not.

Micjones 09-18-2008 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5032270)
He could get better. Huard won't.

He could. He could also handicap this offense like he did most of the day this past Sunday.

Other players should be subjected to that JUST so we can try him out?
During REGULAR SEASON GAMES?

Micjones 09-18-2008 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5032449)
But you're willing to waste regular season games on an old, scared wobbly pass throwing guy who is as good as he'll ever be. Makes no sense to me.

There are other players on this team that need to be developed.
They cannot and will not develop at a regular pace if the offense is completely inept.

When did the fate of this entire team rest upon a tryout opportunity for a 7th Round Quarterback?

SAUTO 09-18-2008 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5032517)
He could. He could also handicap this offense like he did most of the day this past Sunday.

Other players should be subjected to that JUST so we can try him out?
During REGULAR SEASON GAMES?

we've started the regular season???? ****:banghead:

FAX 09-18-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5032517)
He could. He could also handicap this offense like he did most of the day this past Sunday.

Other players should be subjected to that JUST so we can try him out?
During REGULAR SEASON GAMES?

That's one of the main points to this whole deal. Evaluating players during the regular season (which is exactly what Herm claims is the goal, here) isn't typically done by most franchises. They usually figure out their quarterback depth chart sometime before the start of the regular season. There are other concerns, as well. For example, having a quarterback with no experience is a good way to get some of the other guys injured should they try to make a play on a ball, for example, that was thrown in a bad spot. Another issue, of course, it the notion of guys just giving up on the game and/or the season when they realize that the quarterback spot is going to be occupied by someone who simply isn't ready to play the position.

It makes sense that Thiggy has more long-term upside than Downfield, there's no question about that. Nevertheless, the argument could be made that more bad than good could come of this decision.

It makes me wonder, though. Is there a limit to the number of guys a team can have on PUP?

FAX

SAUTO 09-18-2008 05:35 PM

it seems like herm is the one giving up mr. fax

Micjones 09-18-2008 05:39 PM

This is truly a unique situation here in Kansas City.
I don't envy the man who inherits this 5,000-piece jigsaw puzzle.
It's going to be a tough job. I think it takes a special kind of coach to know how to fix a situation like this.

Herman Edwards is not that coach.

Rausch 09-18-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5032533)
That's one of the main points to this whole deal. Evaluating players during the regular season (which is exactly what Herm claims is the goal, here) isn't typically done by most franchises.

FAX

Perhaps we should field an offensive line that can keep our starting QB healthy beyond the first half of the first game. 2 of the last 3 years our starting QB didn't last past the first game...


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