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Brock 02-10-2009 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 5473615)
Yeah, so lucky he made the same throw twice. Incredibly stupid.

-King- 02-10-2009 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid (Post 5475004)
The first Super Bowl the Steelers won in spite of Rothlisberger. He played very badly in that game.

...and that awesome throw at the end of this game? Rothlisberger himself said that he didn't even see the db until he let go of the ball and then he thought he threw an int. Check out this video at about 1:40. Yes he's a decent QB but out of all the true franchise QB's, I'd probably take him last.

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Thanks, I posted the quote earlier but there is no denying this. Their whole "only a franchise qb makes that throw" argument goes out of the window.

-King- 02-10-2009 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5476566)
Yeah, so lucky he made the same throw twice. Incredibly stupid.
What are you saying? That he knew exactly what was he was doing and he thought it would be a TD? If so you are dumber than I thought. Watch that video and shut up. He said he thought it was going to be picked. So yeah, luck.

Brock 02-10-2009 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 5476578)
What are you saying? That he knew exactly what was he was doing and he thought it would be a TD? If so you are dumber than I thought. Watch that video and shut up. He said he thought it was going to be picked. So yeah, luck.
He threw the same pass 2 times in a row and if Holmes hangs on to it the first time, the second throw would have been unnecessary anyway.

Secondly, looking at the throw it was obvious that it wasn't going to be intercepted, it doesn't really matter what he thought about it at the time.

Fritz88 02-10-2009 02:51 PM
I think Thigpen needs to be given a full off season to work on his mistakes and contend for a starting spot.


Do I think that Scott and Todd know what the heck they are doing.

Yes and I will be fine if they drafted a QB in the first round.

-King- 02-10-2009 02:54 PM
It doesn't matter what he thought? What type of shit is that? It was real close to being picked, 3 Cards were in that corner. I'd rather have a qb who thinks he's going to throw a TD every time than one who thinks he threw a bad ball and a pick. Seriously, what do you mean that it doesnt matter what he thinks? The first throw Holmes was more open than the 2nd and Ben led him too much and threw it too high.

Ben is a good qb. But to say he is great is a great overstatement. There are atleast 10 qbs better.

Brock 02-10-2009 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 5476593)
It doesn't matter what he thought? What type of shit is that? It was real close to being picked, 3 Cards were in that corner. I'd rather have a qb who thinks he's going to throw a TD every time than one who thinks he threw a bad ball and a pick. Seriously, what do you mean that it doesnt matter what he thinks? The first throw Holmes was more open than the 2nd and Ben led him too much and threw it too high.

Ben is a good qb. But to say he is great is a great overstatement. There are atleast 10 qbs better.
I don't care if he thinks it was a good throw or not. It was a great throw, a super bowl winning throw, a throw that will be replayed on highlights for the next century, the kind of throw Tyler Thigpen could never make in his wildest dreams.

-King- 02-10-2009 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 5476588)
I think Thigpen needs to be given a full off season to work on his mistakes and contend for a starting spot.


Do I think that Scott and Todd know what the heck they are doing.

Yes and I will be fine if they drafted a QB in the first round.
Me too. But I'm sick with everyone on this board saying that Thigpen is bad and needs to be cut. They act like he played in a good environment under a good qb developer. They act like he was supposed to be All pro despite the environment and time he was placed in. He was thrust into the starting role without a lot of time to memorize the teams plays, so of course the team would use a system he was familiar with. If a #3 qb suddenly has to play, a team sure as hell make adjustments to make him feel comfortable.

Brock 02-10-2009 02:57 PM
Does anybody care whether Joe Montana thinks he threw a great pass that Dwight Clark had to leap for in the end zone?

-King- 02-10-2009 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5476604)
I don't care if he thinks it was a good throw or not. It was a great throw, a super bowl winning throw, a throw that will be replayed on highlights for the next century, the kind of throw Tyler Thigpen could never make in his wildest dreams.
It was more of Holmes play than it was Bens. Bens part was luck(he admitted it) Holmes was skill. He was the one who caught it and had the body control to get both feet down. Stop acting like Ben was the one who made that drive. It was Holmes the whole drive.

-King- 02-10-2009 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5476610)
Does anybody care whether Joe Montana thinks he threw a great pass that Dwight Clark had to leap for in the end zone?
Joe Montana is on a whole other level. He made the 49ers what they were. Ben does not make Pittsburgh who they are. It was clear that Montana was the one who lead them to the titles, the defense led the Steelers to this superbowl. #s tell the whole story. Look at their numbers, during this season Ben had 17 TDs 15 picks. Are you saying he is the reason they made it to the superbowl?

P.S. Thanks for the neg rep. :D

Brock 02-10-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 5476615)
It was more of Holmes play than it was Bens. Bens part was luck(he admitted it) Holmes was skill. He was the one who caught it and had the body control to get both feet down. Stop acting like Ben was the one who made that drive. It was Holmes the whole drive.
It was Ben who made the drive. Avoiding sacks, making throws that third tier guys like Thigpen can only fantasize about. It doesn't matter what he says, of course he'll give the credit to everybody else, that's what a leader does.

Brock 02-10-2009 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 5476629)
Joe Montana is on a whole other level. He made the 49ers what they were. Ben does not make Pittsburgh who they are. It was clear that Montana was the one who lead them to the titles, the defense led the Steelers to this superbowl. #s tell the whole story. Look at their numbers, during this season Ben had 17 TDs 15 picks. Are you saying he is the reason they made it to the superbowl?

P.S. Thanks for the neg rep. :D
Joe Montana was surrounded by talent, quit acting like he wasn't. That's just reeruned.

-King- 02-10-2009 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5476635)
Joe Montana was surrounded by talent, quit acting like he wasn't. That's just reeruned.
Yeah, Santonio Holmes, Heath Miller, and Hines Ward are just your run of the mill receivers. :doh!:

-King- 02-10-2009 03:12 PM
PS. Thigpen had two 1k receivers(Tony G. and Bowe), Ben only had 1. Not saying Thigpen is better, but just throwing stuff out.

Give Thigpen a qualified qb coach and he'll learn to play in the pro. Or he can be like Peyton and play mainly out of a shotgun until they get to goal line situations. If he had a good qb coach, he'd be doing fine. You people act like his qb coach was McDaniels.


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