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'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529555)
Oh, great, you've reverted back to child status. Shall we try again?

You made assertions. The assertions were wrong. Just because you made different arguments elsewhere, you think I should read those links and overlook what you wrote here. I don't agree.

And, as far as the specifics, your opinion does not equal fact. The FACT is that his brother is entering new territory. No matter what previous training he's had, this is a first for him. All the "yeah, but" crap in the world doesn't change that. It's still a legitimate issue to be brought up, whether you like it or not.

Do you ever answer anything? Or do you just resort to empty obfuscation?

This is ridiculous.

The "questions" about Sanchez hiring his brother where based upon an entirely false premise. They are, by definition, illegitimate. He has outside advisers, he isn't flying by the seat of his pants.

I've never seen someone whose entire posting schtick relies entirely upon tautology, outside of Believer.

I'm a "child" because you say I am. You refute nothing. You speak in vagaries and offer no support for any claim that you make.

Sanchez hiring his brother is a legitimate concern because he his brother isn't qualified and he has no other help, even though he is and he does.

I don't know where you learned rhetoric--check that, you obviously didn't--but when people make claims, they support them with evidence. That's why we link posts here. That's why we seek outside sources.

Again, you must have a serious reading comprehension question.

A baseless question is not a legitimate one.

Mark Sanchez is an idiot for hiring his brother who is some guy off the street as his only representation is the same level of idiocy as "Aaron Curry ****s tabby cats."

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5529598)
True.

Think about this from Sanchez's perspective for a moment. I imagine his brother is a smart guy with Sanchez's trust and respect. If he came to me, said, "Hey, I can do this. I'll be advised by a real agent, and I can actually look out for YOU, not just my bottom line." it could be pretty persuasive.

Absolutely, and it might have been a stroke of genius on the part of Sanchez. That is entirely possible. As I noted, I don't see anything wrong here at first blush. However, it's still open to questioning. Hell, people make assumptions/evaluations even when players choose established agents.

htismaqe 02-26-2009 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529606)
It's not a cop-out. Your logic there IS terrible and it makes your attempt to bring the Sims example into it a waste of time. What more do you want said about it?

Can you even explain to me what you think my logic is? At this point, I'm not sure we're even debating the same subject, but I could be wrong.

Are we not talking about the riskiness of players and the likelihood that certain players will flame out? Consider this a concession because I'm so confused now, I'm not even sure what the original point was.

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529606)
I never made that assumption

Two separate times you said "you and Hamas and company". To anyone with any shred of dignity, that looks like you're lumping me in with them. Don't assert that that wasn't your intention when it clearly was. However, in the interest of not furthering this pissing match, I'm done commenting on it.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-26-2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5529445)
I didn't see Doomy's post. I swapped the roles definitely, but those who were denigrating Sanchez were doing so on the premise that he hired his brother as his agent and his brother only, and that his brother was unqualified.

This isn't a Master P situation.

Furthermore, not only is Sanchez's brother a lawyer, but he is also advised by an agency that represents several NFL quarterbacks.

Thus, I refer to my prior assertion: claims about his lack of maturity or stupidity vis-a-vis that selection were, and remain, completely erroneous and without merit.

Even if his brother were an agent, I don't think it is wise to hire them. Agents need to be advocates, but also be able to distance themselves from the situation.

Doctors are told to never operate on their own family. The risks are too high, and their decision making is clouded by emotional connections.

Agents have to be pro athlete at the table, but objective away from it.

How objective would a brother be?

Also, it isn't just the one thing. It is a mixture of things.

It is blowing off Carroll and his parents when they advised him to stay in school. This is the biggest thing.

It is also hiring his brother as an agent.

And, even though he didn't get charged, the fact that he was even accused of sexual assault has to at least raise a question in your mind.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529606)


It's not a cop-out. Your logic there IS terrible and it makes your attempt to bring the Sims example into it a waste of time. What more do you want said about it? .

Again with the circular reasoning. His logic is terrible because it's terrible.

That's ridiculous. Please, offer some substantive evidence or get the **** out.

DaKCMan AP 02-26-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5529644)
Can you even explain to me what you think my logic is? At this point, I'm not sure we're even debating the same subject, but I could be wrong.

Are we not talking about the riskiness of players and the likelihood that certain players will flame out? Consider this a concession because I'm so confused now, I'm not even sure what the original point was.

Two separate times you said "you and Hamas and company". To anyone with any shred of dignity, that looks like you're lumping me in with them. Don't assert that that wasn't your intention when it clearly was. However, in the interest of not furthering this pissing match, I'm done commenting on it.

That's this dupe's schtick. Doesn't address the actual issues, lacks reading comprehension, disputes any and everything, doesn't backup assertions with details and/or evidence, resorts to name calling and generalizations, etc.

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5529628)
Do you ever answer anything? Or do you just resort to empty obfuscation?

This is ridiculous.

The "questions" about Sanchez hiring his brother where based upon an entirely false premise. They are, by definition, illegitimate. He has outside advisers, he isn't flying by the seat of his pants.

I've never seen someone whose entire posting schtick relies entirely upon tautology, outside of Believer.

I'm a "child" because you say I am. You refute nothing. You speak in vagaries and offer no support for any claim that you make.

Sanchez hiring his brother is a legitimate concern because he his brother isn't qualified and he has no other help, even though he is and he does.

I don't know where you learned rhetoric--check that, you obviously didn't--but when people make claims, they support them with evidence. That's why we link posts here. That's why we seek outside sources.

Again, you must have a serious reading comprehension question.

A baseless question is not a legitimate one.

Mark Sanchez is an idiot for hiring his brother who is some guy off the street as his only representation is the same level of idiocy as "Aaron Curry ****s tabby cats."

Here we go again...... at this point I feel like I'm picking on a reeruned puppy.

Who's Sanchez' agent?

Is he related to Sanchez? If he is, is this a potential problem?

Has he been a football agent before?

In all his years of experience as this agent, how has he done for his clients?

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5529649)
Again with the circular reasoning. His logic is terrible because it's terrible.

That's ridiculous. Please, offer some substantive evidence or get the **** out.

Read the posts. That's what you accused me of not doing even as you weren't reading them, remember?

DeezNutz 02-26-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5529645)
And, even though he didn't get charged, the fact that he was even accused of sexual assault has to at least raise a question in your mind.

Passin' By just sent me a PM that accused you of enjoying shark pron.

I'm sorry, Sensible, but this has raised serious questions about your character.

bdeg 02-26-2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5529645)
Even if his brother were an agent, I don't think it is wise to hire them. Agents need to be advocates, but also be able to distance themselves from the situation.

Doctors are told to never operate on their own family. The risks are too high, and their decision making is clouded by emotional connections.

Agents have to be pro athlete at the table, but objective away from it.

How objective would a brother be?

Also, it isn't just the one thing. It is a mixture of things.

It is blowing off Carroll and his parents when they advised him to stay in school. This is the biggest thing.

It is also hiring his brother as an agent.

And, even though he didn't get charged, the fact that he was even accused of sexual assault has to at least raise a question in your mind.

You don't ever wonder if a holdout could be about a player blindly obeying an agent holding out for another 100k in his pocket? How much happier is that extra half a mil going to make a player compared to getting to training camp on time?

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5529645)
Even if his brother were an agent, I don't think it is wise to hire them. Agents need to be advocates, but also be able to distance themselves from the situation.

I can't think of a better advocate for someone than a family member. I highly doubt he's going to try and screw over his own brother for an extra few K in commission by signing him to a bad deal, he's definitely no more likely to do so than John Q. Agent.

My god, the annals of sports history are littered with predatory agents who screw over their clientele for their own personal gain.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529660)
Read the posts. That's what you accused me of not doing even as you weren't reading them, remember?

I'm sorry, I don't feel the need to read links.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529654)
Here we go again...... at this point I feel like I'm picking on a reeruned puppy.

Who's Sanchez' agent?

Is he related to Sanchez? If he is, is this a potential problem?

Has he been a football agent before?

In all his years of experience as this agent, how has he done for his clients?

Is he a lawyer? Yes.

What do most lawyer's do in their jobs?

Does he have outside advisers? Yes

What do those advisers do? Represent professional athletes, including NFL quarterbacks.

But yes, I'm sure that Nick Sanchez will just sign over Mark's soul with a big X since he has <del>no legal experience and no one else to fall back on for advice</del>

DaKCMan AP 02-26-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5529674)
My god, the annals of sports history are littered with predatory agents who screw over their clientele for their own personal gain.

See: Scott Boras, Drew Rosenhaus, Hadley Engelhard.

Mark probably trusts his brother more than anyone else.. I don't see a problem with that.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-26-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5529661)
Passin' By just sent me a PM that accused you of enjoying shark pron.

I'm sorry, Sensible, but this has raised serious questions about your character.

Again, if it were ONLY that... fine.

But, it ISN'T.

I don't know this kid... all I can do is form opinions based on what I know of him.

He didn't listen to his parents or his coach about going back to school.

He hired his brother, and he was at least accused of sexual assault.

Now, that all fits together in my mind.

Perhaps these are three isolated incidents that don't show the full story. But, there are THREE things I am looking at here... not just one.


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