You can be under the impression that I think that, but since I never gave you any evidence to think that, you'd be wrong.
And I don't agree about the pats and cards.

Both the Pats and the Cards ran primarily from the spread.

Steelers, too.

ROFL

Heading to class so I didn't read all this, but wanted to throw out that it's hard to establish a running game from the spread formation. I believe that is what people dislike the most of it. When you get in the redzone, there is only so much you can do without having a running attack. So, I agree with whoever posted that there is nothing wrong with the spread formation in between the 20's. Yet, you can't be like we were last year and look like a Junior High JV squad when you line up behind center.

The Chiefs were in many ways a spread team from 2001-2005, and they ran the ball fine for the most part (the problem I mentioned earlier in the thread being the exception). Beyond that, some would argue that the types of passes emphasized by spread routes are basically an extension of the running game - short passes geared towards giving receivers a chance at yards after the catch. As we saw a lot, you can also exploit aggresive defensive tendencies by using traps, draws and throwing in screen passes. What you can't do is power run, because you don't have the right personnel on the line (no TE or a pass-catching TE spread wide) and often no FB. And generally, the teams that run it go for athletic linemen over drive blockers, which exacerbates the problem.

In other words, you can run, you just have to go about it a little differently...

The spread limits the running game pure and simple. It's allows an offense to become predictable.

Tsk-tsk! It allows your Quarterback to become the rushing leader! :D

Win-win! :rolleyes:

Predictable offenses are the result of gameplanning, not some inherent design flaw within a scheme. And nobody is going to run a spread 100% of the time any more than they'd max protect 100% of the time.

What an offense should have (in my humble opinion) are elements of different schemes and personnel formations built around generating exploitable matchups. We had that for a while under Saunders, but they couldn't do anything on the other side of the ball. Hopefully we can head that direction again, but with a more balanced overall team.

The fact that you don't agree about the Pats and Cards demonstrates your ignorance, not mine.

You really haven't given me any evidence or logic for what you think. That is probably because you have none of either on this subject.

I would imagine that running "the spread" in college is alot different then a pro offense spreading out the D with some spread formations. In college the O linemen line up farther apart when theyrun the spread. I don't think NFL O linemen would line up near as far apart as the Mizzou linemen do.


PhilFree:arrow:

I've coached on a team that runs the spread for three years. I've sat in on clinics with mizzou and ku coaches, as well as met with a few of the teams that run it best in the area. I know a little bit about it. I'm not the be all end all on it, but so far I haven't seen you come near a convincing argument.

:eek::eek::bravo:ROFL

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Exactly, I didn't mean you can't run out of it at all, but that it's harder to do. You have to be creative and have good playcalling. It is not designed with the running game in mind though. That is why you see the shotgun in obvious passing situations. I like the options that we could have using the spread as part of our offense, but not to the extent that some teams have taken it to. As you said, you can't establish a power run out of the formation. That is a problem. That power running game controls the clock and helps in the redzone. If we had a better running game to go with our spread, we could have been a completely different team W-L wise. I guess I agree with your other post that you have to find the right balance.

Then you really should pay closer attention at the clinics, or perhaps watch some of the Cards and Patriots film. I don't know which.

I hope your boss isn't reading this thread, because you may have just lost your job.