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The Bad Guy 04-11-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5661115)
You made a comparison between Barwin a guy who made a good transition to a different position(TE to DE) which the same analysts you spoke of said if he did this for another year in college he'd be a first rounder to Matt Jones who played QB throughout his college career and was an unknown commodity as a WR.

Very poor comparison

You also don't know how well Barwin is going to play DE in the NFL. I'm sorry, but one year doesn't show me he can have a successful NFL career.

Matt Jones had 4.3 speed going for him on a 6'6 frame. Where else was he going to play?

Direckshun 04-11-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5661126)
Tank isn't 300, D.

He's listed at 300 but I guarantee you he's 320. In fact I think he's listed bigger.

306 according to kcchiefs.com.

I hope you're right. He's strong enough to man the nose; it's size that I'm concerned about.

Also the fact that he was the starting DT on one of the worst run defenses in the league. You want your NT to be a block of immovable granite. I don't know if Tank is that guy.

chiefs1111 04-11-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5661008)
Barwin is an athletic project who played his position for 1 year...why would you take that in the middle of the 1st round?

My guess is some people still think Carl Peterson is running the team,that would be a Carl type of move...

Tribal Warfare 04-11-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5661132)
You also don't know how well Barwin is going to play DE in the NFL. I'm sorry, but one year doesn't show me he can have a successful NFL career.


The samething was said about Brandon Albert, but he turned out okay also.

Mecca 04-11-2009 09:20 PM

Connor Barwin will at the very worst be a good special teams player but mid first round for that guy is insane.

Hammock Parties 04-11-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5661131)
I think he lost weight under Herm instead of gained...

He was overweight his rookie year...I know he dropped a bunch. I'd say he was probably 315-320 last year.

The Bad Guy 04-11-2009 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5661143)
Connor Barwin will at the very worst be a good special teams player but mid first round for that guy is insane.

Try telling TW that.

Mecca 04-11-2009 09:23 PM

I love when people say DT's are overweight when it's their job to be big fat guys.

kcsam07 04-11-2009 09:23 PM

i dont trust pft at all but its on the kcstar website so it must be true

chiefzilla1501 04-11-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5661136)
306 according to kcchiefs.com.

I hope you're right. He's strong enough to man the nose; it's size that I'm concerned about.

Also the fact that he was the starting DT on one of the worst run defenses in the league. You want your NT to be a block of immovable granite. I don't know if Tank is that guy.

I'm not worried about Tank's size. He's strong enough, and that's a lot more important. Kelly Gregg's a good example of a nose tackle who played the position well at a pretty small size for a nose tackle. I'm more worried about his endurance. The nose tackle position is going to beat the shit out of him, and I know durability was a concern coming out of college.

because I think he's too short to play DE. I think he belongs at the nose, but the Chiefs most definitely need somebody else to be more of a full-time guy.

MVChiefFan 04-11-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5661131)
I think he lost weight under Herm instead of gained...


He definitely looked slimmer last year.

Hammock Parties 04-11-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5661153)
I love when people say DT's are overweight when it's their job to be big fat guys.

Well he AND Dorsey were overweight for a Cover 2 as rookies.

Dorsey played at 315 last year. He was listed at 297.

RustShack 04-11-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kcsam07 (Post 5661156)
i dont trust pft at all but its on the kcstar website so it must be true

Why? Its not like they make stories up... They post credible information from credible sources... and the few rumors they aren't sure about that they post they make sure you know that...

Mecca 04-11-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5661164)
Well he AND Dorsey were overweight for a Cover 2 as rookies.

Dorsey played at 315 last year. He was listed at 297.

Well Ted Washington and Pat Williams are grossly overweight then and they rule or ruled.

Hammock Parties 04-11-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5661170)
Well Ted Washington and Pat Williams are grossly overweight then and they rule or ruled.

Obviously it's different for other schemes.


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