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Jilly 05-19-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5777010)
How do you figure?
You said great players are great because they are versatile.
DT is an example of the fallacy of that statement.

Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Dwight Freeny, Randy Moss are other examples.

Versatility is a great attribute, and can lead to greatness, but it is not necessary to achieve greatness.

really? this is turning into an argument on what constitutes greatness?

Example: A person can play the flute. They see the notes on the page, they play them all, in rhythm, and have great tone. But what makes them a GREAT player is their ability to put as much passion in Mozart as they would say, Faure. Granted, they like playing Mozart better, it makes more sense to them, but wouldn't it suck if that's all they played?

milkman 05-19-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5777070)
really? this is turning into an argument on what constitutes greatness?

Example: A person can play the flute. They see the notes on the page, they play them all, in rhythm, and have great tone. But what makes them a GREAT player is their ability to put as much passion in Mozart as they would say, Faure. Granted, they like playing Mozart better, it makes more sense to them, but wouldn't it suck if that's all they played?

JFC, you are going to try to use music to support your patently false statement about football.

First I don't give a rat's ass about ****ing music.

Second, I provided an example to support my claim that you are wrong.

Third, I provided other examples that prove you're wrong.

But clearly, you can't admit you're wrong.

Jilly 05-19-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5777104)
JFC, you are going to try to use music to support your patently false statement about football.

First I don't give a rat's ass about ****ing music.

Second, I provided an example to support my claim that you are wrong.

Third, I provided other examples that prove you're wrong.

But clearly, you can't admit you're wrong.


yes, point proven. You're such a football god.

milkman 05-19-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5777143)
yes, point proven. You're such a football god.

No, I'm not a football god, you're just a typical bitch that can't admit it when she's wrong.

Jilly 05-19-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5777150)
No, I'm not a football god, you're just a typical bitch that can't admit it when she's wrong.

really? you're calling me a bitch? are you serious?

Hammock Parties 05-19-2009 01:24 PM

Jilly, he is rough, but he is right. Thomas was fairly one-dimensional. All he could do was rush the passer. The Chiefs yanked him off the field in the AFC Championship game once because the Bills were running right at him.

Jilly 05-19-2009 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5777104)
JFC, you are going to try to use music to support your patently false statement about football.

First I don't give a rat's ass about ****ing music.

Second, I provided an example to support my claim that you are wrong.

Third, I provided other examples that prove you're wrong.

But clearly, you can't admit you're wrong.


So, my argument was that, in case it wasn't clear, which I will go ahead and say it wasn't.....I believe for a player to be GREAT means they should be flexible, able to adapt. Yes, they still are a _______ (whatever position) and still are good at being a __________ (whatever position) , but shouldn't they be able to play that position, in a different defense, with the same greatness?

I don't feel like what I'm saying is totally out of line. And to be honest, I'm just trying to be a part of the discussion. I'm wrong 50% of the time and I know that, but I don't feel like I'm a total idiot for believing this.

Hammock Parties 05-19-2009 01:29 PM

Like the thread says, Sapp couldn't play 3-4 DE. He's going to the HOF.

Buehler445 05-19-2009 01:29 PM

I gotta go with milkman. You don't NECESSARILY have to be versatile to be great.

Most QBs stick with one system. IIRC, Joe Montana was WCO only, and it doesn't preclude him from being great.

You do have a point that versatility can make one great, like Adalius Thomas, who I would argue would not be great without the versatility, but it is not a requirement.
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Katipan 05-19-2009 01:30 PM

I suppose you can be GREAT at ONE thing.

Hammock Parties 05-19-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5777190)
I suppose you can be GREAT at ONE thing.

Like sex?

milkman 05-19-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5777152)
really? you're calling me a bitch? are you serious?

I don't pull punches.

I don't take passive-aggressive sideswipes.

I say what I think.

Sully 05-19-2009 01:32 PM

LT and DT had one skill. And it was good enough to make them HoFers and all time greats.

Michael Vick and Vince Young have one skill, and it isn't nearly enough to make them even good.

So it depends on the player. Rare players are good enough to dominate just by doing one thing extremely well. Anyone wanna argue that Dorsey is one of those rare athletes?

Jilly 05-19-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5777194)
I don't pull punches.

I don't take passive-aggressive sideswipes.

I say what I think.

I think it's bullshit that you called me a bitch for having an opinion. That's what I think.

And, apparently, I'm wrong. And I can admit that. But have a discussion with me, don't just call me a bitch because I'm trying to make an informed decision.

Buehler445 05-19-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 5777195)
Anyone wanna argue that Dorsey is one of those rare athletes?

No I do not.
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