Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 5804157)

I vote to do it the Patriots way, its worked for them so it should work for us.


I like the younger players better & will root for them more, but Pioli knows best for this team and how to get us a Super Bowl Championship.

Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID (Post 5805418)

It's not the Patriot way. It's gonna be more like the Steeler Way. Clark still runs the show. Carry on.

Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID (Post 5805418)

It's not the Patriot way. It's gonna be more like the Steeler Way. Clark still runs the show. Carry on.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5805812)

Wrong.

Clark owns the show, but you know ther is no way that Scott Pioli took the job without some assurance that he would be given free rein to run the show.

And to this point, early in his rein, it looks much like the Patriot Way.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5805812)

Wrong.

Clark owns the show, but you know ther is no way that Scott Pioli took the job without some assurance that he would be given free rein to run the show.

And to this point, early in his rein, it looks much like the Patriot Way.

Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID (Post 5807141)

Fair enough. I just remember Clark talking alot about how he admired the Steelers. If I'm an owner of a franchise, and I hire a new GM, I tell them what I want. He does have free rein, I agree.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5807165)

Not me. If I'm an owner, I hire a mother****er that will win me a championship. That's what I want. If I think I know better, I just be the owner/GM ala Jerry Jones.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5807165)

Not me. If I'm an owner, I hire a mother****er that will win me a championship. That's what I want. If I think I know better, I just be the owner/GM ala Jerry Jones.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5807989)

Honestly, KCBubb has proven he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who feels that the "Herm Edwards way" was the right direction for this team, needs to off themselves with pills immediately.

Just because we signed older players to small contracts means jack shit.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5801230)

These vets are here basically to set examples and to help transition to a winning mindset.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5801261)

That's something you never addressed, bubb, the difference in contracts between the Carl that we know is fail and the Pioli we hope is not fail. Posted via Mobile Device

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5801261)

Realistically, though, everything in life is maximized through moderation. If young guys were the correct answer, NOBODY would ever get a second contract. It's just that simple.

I would venture a guess that every team that has won the Super Bowl has a FA vet playing a role. It's not the end of the world. These guys aren't being brought in as building blocks for a run, they are bodies. And rather than just have schmucks that will be cut at the earliest possible convenience, he's trying to get a little more out of them.

And again, **** HERM. The only youth movement he was ever on was in Tampa. Dungy was running the show, and I doubt that all veterans were cut loose. Herm is a ****ing toolbox. We should strive to NOT repeat any mistakes, including playing young POS's only because they are young.

**** HERM!
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5808269)

How is Vrabel setting an example on how to transition to a winning mindset?

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5808294)

You are correct that the long term consequences of these free agents is not as bad bc Pioli is not giving them a ton of $$$ on a long term deal, but the overall premise is the same. Sign an old vet to fill the void. Don't take a chance on developing a younger player.

This will obviously look much better if Pioli can draft to replace these guys.



My opinion is that when you sign several free agents, there age should line up somewhat with the progression of the team toward the team's goal, which is to win the superbowl. If you have a few holes or need some depth at a few spots, it is a great move to sign several old vets if needed to get you to the superbowl. The Patriots just did this and I think it was a great move.

If you are a 2-14 team and you are several years away from a superbowl, you should just have a few vets on the team and spend most of the valuable playing time on some young players with the goal of trying to develop a quality roster with at least some depth.

What I find funny is a lot of you guys argue for drafting a young QB and taking a chance, but when it comes to taking a chance on developing a younger player at another position that is not a high draft pick.... then no, you can't do that. sign the vet. Take the SAFE route.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5808327)

Look. First point. The guys "valuable playing time" that they are taking are 99% going to be worthless POS scrubs that aren't going to be here when we make a run either. Look at a free agent list, there's not much there. We tried that shit with Herm. Pat Thomas, Rocky Boiman, and whoever the **** else we stuck in there are OFF THE TEAM and didn't contribute SHIT. If there's a shot those guys can do some mentoring before the wheels fall off then that is significantly better than what Thomas and Boiman did. Their contracts are set up to do that, not to be a burden long after they can't play.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5808327)

Second point. There should be a balance of youth and age on any team. It used to be too old, Herm made it too young. The elders last year were TG, Waters, and Donnie. 2 of those guys are gone. All we've done is replace some older guys. This team didn't get "older" it just replaced some old guys.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5808327)

As it is now, this team, agewise is NOT MUCH DIFFERENENT than Herm's club. In fact, Donnie and TG were overpaid.
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