Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6119274)

I agree. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything quite like it. Certainly not with the Chiefs. Coaches will go into a shell if they're losing by two or three scores halfway through the 4th ... but never something like this. Herm is an exception, of course. The R2P2 was his bread and butter.

Haley explained it in his presser. He just didn't elaborate. He thought his guys were underachieving in the run game, he got pissed, and started calling runs. Personally, I'm so sick of the kind of performance this o-line has given over the last couple of years, I'm all for trying anything to wake them up. So, from my perspective, if this works, great. If not, we lose some more games while we wait to pick up better players - which was going to happen anyway if our o-line doesn't start blocking somebody. It's that simple, really.

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6119278)

I expected 3 or 4 wins. And I expected the mental mistakes to lessen and the overall toughness to show itself. I expected any kind of improvement over the stupidity that has plagued this team for the last 3 or 4 years. I expected honesty and consistency from the new GM and coach. I've been let down on all counts.

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6119283)

We still might get 3-4 wins. Look at who we have played in our 3 games...Balitimore, Oakland and Philly. Both Baltimore and Philly at their house.

And I guess him taking reponsibility is not honesty in your book??? I guess it was better when Herm was blaming the players when we lost and taking the credit when we won?

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6119297)

Responsibility isn't the same as honesty. The responsibility thing is way overrated in my opinion. It doesn't matter who's taking the blame. Neither is better. Zero wins is zero wins regardless of who's taking the blame. Responsibility in this case is nothing more than softening the disappointment. It doesn't make the loss any better just because somebody says "Ohh this one's on me." Change the losing culture instead of telling us who's fault it is. That's what I care about.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6119282)

I do understand what you're trying to convey my friend. I just seriously question whether Haley has a hold on the team enough for a ploy like that to be effective at all. I'm not convinced that the players believe in Haley enough yet for that kind of tactic to work. He's not established enough yet in my eyes....

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6119393)

However, if they don't believe in him, it's moot because they're not going to be here. And, if they do believe in him, they should have gotten the point somewhere around the 4th quarter whistle yesterday. These players have run into a buzz saw. Do it right or lose a valued appendage.



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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6119297)

Responsibility isn't the same as honesty. The responsibility thing is way overrated in my opinion. It doesn't matter who's taking the blame. Neither is better. Zero wins is zero wins regardless of who's taking the blame. Responsibility in this case is nothing more than softening the disappointment. It doesn't make the loss any better just because somebody says "Ohh this one's on me." Change the losing culture instead of telling us who's fault it is. That's what I care about.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6119417)

At some point he's got to find some players that believe in him and step up.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6119497)

I think players believe in one thing: The green.

Maybe four guys from the Chiefs offense and defense would start elsewhere in the league. The rest would be backups or out of work.

Haley needs to find a way to get these players, regardless of their talent level, to play as a unit and as efficiently as possible.

No one was expecting miracles but I think we all expected better than what we've seen the past two weeks.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6119522)

Which brings us to an interesting point in the season and, frankly, Haley's tenure as HC.

The mental errors and penalties are all about coaching. Haley admitted it himself. That's two weeks in a row that traincar loads of penalties have dramatically and negatively affected the flow of the game at critical times.

Next week will be telling. If Haley has, in fact, lost the team, we'll see the same problems surface. If, however, the penalties and absurdly stupid mental mistakes are minimized, it's an indication that he's still getting through to them. It will also be interesting to see how the o-line responds to the butt-lashing they took on Sunday.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6119534)

Next week will pose the most difficult challenge of the season, IMHO.

The Giants have arguably the best offensive line in the league and the best front seven in the league, bar none. Their pass rush is absolutely monstrous. I would not be surprised at all to see Haley employ the Spread/Shotgun offense 90% of the time in an effort to slow down Tuck, Umenyiora, Canty, Kiwanuka, et al.

I am also extremely interested in how the Chiefs defense defends the run because the Giants pose many problems in the run game.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6119522)

Which brings us to an interesting point in the season and, frankly, Haley's tenure as HC.

The mental errors and penalties are all about coaching. Haley admitted it himself. That's two weeks in a row that traincar loads of penalties have dramatically and negatively affected the flow of the game at critical times.

Next week will be telling. If Haley has, in fact, lost the team, we'll see the same problems surface. If, however, the penalties and absurdly stupid mental mistakes are minimized, it's an indication that he's still getting through to them. It will also be interesting to see how the o-line responds to the butt-lashing they took on Sunday.

FAX

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6118827)

3 yards rushing in the 1st half? No, you are going to run the ****ing ball. You are not going to be allowed to drop back and watch your QB get killed because you can't run the ****ing ball. It is similar to making a hitter lay a bunt down with 2 strikes after he couldn't do it on strikes 1 and 2.

Fatlock can cry that Haley isn't treating them like men all he wants. He needs to stick to his doublestuffs. This team isn't going to compete for a playoff spot anyway so this is exactly the time to pull stunts like this. You want to win? You have to learn how to block. You have to learn how to run the ball. 3 ****ing yards in 1 half is pathetic and I don't blame Haley one bit for what he did.

It isn't like we had 30 yards in the 1st half..we had 3. Three. Unacceptable, PERIOD! Dropping back to pass would have resulted in Cassel being broken into pieces.

I don't know what game Fatlock and some others watched, but I saw one that showed me our O line was there in name only. Had we dropped back, which is exactly what Philly wanted, we would be cussing about the picks Cassel threw or the fact that Brokie would be the starter for the next several weeks cause of Cassel being hurt.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6118946)

Are you kidding me?

Let's forfeit this weekend. I see no other choice.