I'd say sundays game was the 2nd most sickening to watch of all my fandom, save only the first Raiders game of last year...

I'm not jumping to the same conclusion as you and whitlock did, but I wouldn't put it past SI to just take what the local media says as fact. Plus all of the good coaches have been called Egotistical, including Coughlin. So I don't even know that I'd hold ego against them. Hell, the players and media both wanted Coughlin's head till he actually won. Not to mention LJ's comments, and his twitter page, normally make almost no sense at all.

Are there other comments from Grunhard other than him talking about the QB "fight" between Pioli and Haley?

atleast I have KU basketball..

Jeff also talked about Croyle beating out Cassel in training camp on his weekly segment on 810 - after reading about it on KENT BABB'S twitter page.

You're in Cali. You should check in sometime. You might actually understand why everybody in KC is so jaded. The media is AWFUL.

Yeah, I alluded to that earlier. I'm 2,000 miles away and no longer live in that "bubble" of sports. I listened to Keitzman and other sports talk guys in the 90's and early part of 2000 but eventually stopped listening because it was the same old thing every day.

Awful.

Seriously - he said that?

Wow, that's some real investigative journalism. No wonder print is dying.

I understand that ego is necessary to some extent, moreso if you're responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars and a city of 2 million. I get that.

What I don't get is for the ego to be so overbearing that it causes a negative reaction by all of those involved.

That, I don't know firsthand. I've only read about it here on the 'Planet.

:p

It hasn't changed.

However, there is something important about the local media's influence that doesn't often get mentioned.

Soren, for instance, has a daily segment where he visits like 5 cities around the country and talks to a local guy there about the teams in that city. Those guys are radio or newspaper guys about 90% of the time.

People that sit and listen to 810 every day very rarely realize that OTHER CITIES are doing the SAME THING, and they guys they're having on are guys like PETRO.

In fact, just last week I heard Clinkscale talking about going on a radio station in New York to break down the Giants game. Danny freaking Clinkscale.

And I've also heard them laughing about stuff that they've said that ends up on Sportscenter.

Yeouch.

I wonder if it's because the radio stations in each city are owned by the same media conglomerates and it's just a way to kill time?

Well, thanks for reinforcing my decision not to listen to sports talk radio. It sounds boring and redundant just from your description!

The new era in media reveals a lot about how these national guys do their jobs.

We just assumed in the past that they had a lot of inside information, real contacts - and people like John Clayton or the bigger names you can assume probably do.

But a lot of these national media types traffic in "could be" type of reporting that is based only on what they think personally and nothing else, or just items they scoop off the internet from questionable sources or the media that's available to anyone else.

It seems like the professionalism, the expertise has left journalism.

And with some teams being careful about what they share with whom, you could probably say that the average fan knows more and the media knows less than ever before.

Let's just say this isn't all smoke and there's actually fire. Would you care if it pissed LJ off and he was gone next year? How about Brian Waters? Is there anybody on this roster that's so good, so important, that their thinking the owner, GM or head coach is so egotistical that they don't want to be a part of it actually matters in any way, shape or form. What's the point Whitlock is trying to make? That this team full of mediocre players is upset because they're not being pampered anymore? Really?

And it's friggin' LJ. Who doesn't he complain about?

They're trying to turn the entire culture of the franchise around. Some players aren't going to like it, especially the ones who feel entitled. They're going to break some eggs. And losing is only going to exacerbate the grumbling. Get used to it.

Not only is it boring and redundant, it's absolutely, unequivocally useless. All of the talk, all of the analysis has absolutely no bearing on anything. Ultimately only the games and their outcomes mean anything; the rest of the bullshit is just fluff.

Much like this board. And yet I keep posting. Year after year.

*shoots self in head*

So long as they don't alienate people like Cassel, Flowers, Jackson, perhaps Albert and Dorsey, the people we'd really like to be in our long term plans, who cares?

Waters and LJ can go sit on a cactus for all I care.

My impressions of the game were:

This is getting harder and harder to watch. I can't stand to suffer through the continued offensive ineptitude. Bordering on unwatchable.

Cassel's accuracy is a bit of a growing concern. I can't remember who he missed in the endzone, but the WR had a good two and a half steps on the DB and the ball was greatly underthrown. Those have to be touchdowns. Many throws behind the receivers leading to incompletions or WRs going down immediately instead of being able to RAC.

KR/PR is a major liability. Charles coughing up the ball to start the game was awful. He started losing the ball before he was really even hit.

May as well throw in the obligatory O line is terrible and they get next to zero pass rush on defense.... O'Callaghan was an improvement over Ndukwe at RT, better but still not that good.