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DaneMcCloud 10-28-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6216158)
Wow, OK. I guess Jimmy Johnson is just a dumbass who didn't know what the **** was going on with his own defense...

So let me get this right: You're basing Tyson Jackson's abilities and his potential impact based on a quote by Jimmy Johnson to validate Jackson's selection by Pioli?

Pretzel logic, anyone?

boogblaster 10-28-2009 09:39 PM

Dont know bout the 2010 dateline .. but hopefully we'll field a better team ....

DaWolf 10-28-2009 09:46 PM

Dane, Carl was here for TWENTY YEARS. One year to rebuild my ass. This has been a losing franchise this decade. And you want to talk about how promising the team he was putting together looked? Seriously?

You also have him trading away perhaps the league's best defensive player for what right now is an average left tackle, a backup safety, and what so far has been a third down back. THAT is how you rebuild?

And name me the last defensive tackle he drafted that worked out for this team.

As far as Cottam, as a tight end you NEED to block. You also NEED to receive if you are a receiving tight end. By all accounts he sucked at BOTH aspects of the game this offseason and preseason and into the season.

I'm not sitting here defending Pioli, CLEARLY this team is no better than they were last year, and could be worse in some senses. But I sure as hell am not going to defend what he inherited either...

DaWolf 10-28-2009 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6216168)
So let me get this right: You're basing Tyson Jackson's abilities and his potential impact based on a quote by Jimmy Johnson to validate Jackson's selection by Pioli?

Pretzel logic, anyone?

Dude, I DID NOT MAKE THIS ANALOGY. SCOTT PIOLI did after the draft. I am just relaying what SCOTT PIOLI feels would make the dude a successful pick. And in my mind if he anchors a super bowl defense and does things that allow other players to get pro bowl numbers, then yeah, success. But I am not basing Jackson's success based on something Jimmy Johnson said...

DaneMcCloud 10-28-2009 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6216178)
Dane, Carl was here for TWENTY YEARS. One year to rebuild my ass. This has been a losing franchise this decade. And you want to talk about how promising the team he was putting together looked? Seriously?

You also have him trading away perhaps the league's best defensive player for what right now is an average left tackle, a backup safety, and what so far has been a third down back. THAT is how you rebuild?

And name me the last defensive tackle he drafted that worked out for this team.

As far as Cottam, as a tight end you NEED to block. You also NEED to receive if you are a receiving tight end. By all accounts he sucked at BOTH aspects of the game this offseason and preseason and into the season.

I'm not sitting here defending Pioli, CLEARLY this team is no better than they were last year, and could be worse in some senses. But I sure as hell am not going to defend what he inherited either...

Herm Edwards got control of personnel from Carl in 2008. Herm Edwards wanted to rebuild in 2006, then again in 2007. Carl said no so finally, Edwards went directly to Hunt.

Look, I don't think Herm is a Super Bowl coach. But I certainly think he had the right idea about building a youthful football team. If you look around at the league, teams like Baltimore, Indy, Pittsburgh, the Giants and Philly build their teams through the draft. They don't go out and buy the highest priced free agents. They don't use stop gaps. They draft and develop. That's what Herm wanted to do with the Chiefs. But since Pioli has been hired, all of that's out the window.

I don't know where this team is headed and neither does anyone else. But so far, the only place it's gone is down.

chiefbowe82 10-28-2009 09:56 PM

firing herm was the worst move this franchise made

KcFanInGA 10-28-2009 09:57 PM

We have picks stockpiled people. Have you no patience?

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KcFanInGA (Post 6216208)
We have picks stockpiled people. Have you no patience?

Stockpiled?

We have 7.

Stockpiled would be the 12 or 13 we had in 2008.

Fish 10-28-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefbowe82 (Post 6216204)
firing herm was the worst move this franchise made

LMAO

Now wait just a second....

chiefbowe82 10-28-2009 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6216216)
LMAO

Now wait just a second....

the haley era has been great SPOCK!

milkman 10-28-2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefbowe82 (Post 6216235)
the haley era has been great SPOCK!

Whether or not Haley is/can be a good head coach is still unknown

Two things that are known, though, is Herman ****ing Edwards couldn't coach his dumb ass out of a paper bag.

And the only dumbass that makes his dumbassery look mild is you.

chiefbowe82 10-28-2009 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6216245)
Whether or not Haley is/can be a good head coach is still unknown

Two things that are known, though, is Herman ****ing Edwards couldn't coach his dumb ass out of a paper bag.

And the only dumbass that makes his dumbassery look mild is you.

He went to the playoffs year after year with the jets and took the chiefs there, he was rebuilding and chiefs hit the panic button and fired him

milkman 10-28-2009 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefbowe82 (Post 6216251)
He went to the playoffs year after year with the jets and took the chiefs there, he was rebuilding and chiefs hit the panic button and fired him

He basically killed both franchises, dumbass.

chiefbowe82 10-28-2009 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6216275)
He basically killed both franchises, dumbass.

go do some research

Fish 10-28-2009 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefbowe82 (Post 6216251)
He went to the playoffs year after year with the jets and took the chiefs there, he was rebuilding and chiefs hit the panic button and fired him

Panic button hell.. I used to be a big Herm supporter, but the guy definitely had his flaws. He had the right idea about how to build a franchise. But he went about it with the grace of a drunken elephant. We didn't hurt ourselves cutting ties with him. But we haven't shown improvement over it yet either.


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