Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6450105)

no but he's playing the team that made Tom Brady look like an inferior Matt Cassel

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6450114)

Dude...

The Bears defense led them to the Super Bowl...ALL YEAR LONG they played with Grossman or Griese...

ALL YEAR LONG...

But suddenly they lose all credibility as an opponent because Rex Grossman was their QB?

LMAO

Manning handled that defense almost flawlessly (especially compared to the rest of the NFL)...38 minutes T.O.P.

but that doesn't count because he only beat Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl..

So Tom Brady has 4 Super Bowls (because that Tyree catch doesn't count) and Manning has 0 Super Bowls...

Right?

Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6449832)

Hootie, LET IT GO.

Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6450110)

Peyton ever have wide recievers that quit on routes?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6450055)

I ask again - could the Colts have ever gone 11-5 with Jim Sorgi? You're honestly going to pound your chest and yell "3 Superbowls!!!" when Matt Cassel took that same system to an 11-5 record? Doesn't that say all that needs to be said about how difficult it was to win football games there? If a guy like Cassel can get you to 11-5, just exactly how can you compare SBs?

Name one single thing that Tom Brady does on a football field better than Peyton Manning. I say all the time that I don't care about statistics with Matt Cassel because I can point to how he actually plays between the lines and his physical shortcomings.

There's not a single thing that Tom Brady does better than Peyton Manning. Point to mythical intangibles like 'clutch play' all you want, but it's nonsense. Without Adam Vinitiari, Tom Brady's just a top flight QB; nobody would dream of comparing him to Manning.

Originally Posted by Pushead2 (Post 6450115)

Vinatieri had 12 of the 29 points....thats 17 then there was a pick 6 for another 7, Thats 10 points produced by the Manning in that game...

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6450129)

ROFL

This is just getting ridiculous.

So I guess we won't count Vinatieri's missed 29 yard field goal or his botched PAT...

Or the time consuming drives that led to all of these field goals...

I guess we'll just ignore the fact the Bears had the 2nd best defense we've seen in the past 10-15 years...

and we'll ignore all of the great drives the Colts had and the 38 minutes T.O.P.

we'll just write that off on Grossman and not credit Manning for putting together a lot of great drives against the Bears potent defense...

Those don't count.

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449981)

Just sit back and watch Peyton Manning play that same Ravens defense at home tonight (just like Brady last week) and see what he does...

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6449968)

I completely missed this.

Elway is in the conversation for best player of all-time, not just QB.

Wow.

Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6450116)

Cause the 2008 patriots are the exact same team as the 2009 patriots.

Originally Posted by Pushead2 (Post 6450132)

you just like to type....:shake:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6449946)

Yeah, Moss only caught the TD pass from Brady to put the Patriots ahead in the SB with 2 minutes to play before the defense coughed it up. You are blaming Moss for the Patriots not going 19-0 that year?

I also love all this revisionist history. After 2007 Brady was being called one of the top 2 of all time after his 50 TD passes. He get a knee injury and now he's not even on the top 5 or 10. Sure, today he may not be. But it doesn't take away where he was 2 years ago.
And I love how Kurt Warner is suddenly clutch with his 9 playoff wins and Brady isn't with his 14. Talk about "what have you done for me lately?"
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