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Mecca 01-28-2010 11:39 PM
That's being a Chiefs fan, if the Chiefs were the Colts this forum would have exploded that we couldn't draft Manning because of what happened with Jeff George.

DaneMcCloud 01-28-2010 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6488635)
That's being a Chiefs fan, if the Chiefs were the Colts this forum would have exploded that we couldn't draft Manning because of what happened with Jeff George.
Or the Chargers after Leaf.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-28-2010 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6488613)
Why is this still a debated topic?

We haven't won jack ****ing shit in forever. When we had fantastic o-lines, nasty ****ing defenses, solid special teams--all in the same year--we still haven't won shit.

What's been missing? What's still missing?

We just watched impressively poor QB play this season AND STILL we're debating the merits of trying to acquire a franchise QB. Wow.
Because people are ****ing reeruned, that's why.

patteeu 01-29-2010 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6488575)
The only one of those teams that's won a bowl since then is the Rams and the reason Miami is tied with the Chiefs is their pick in the same year was a HOFer.

3 of the 4 teams that haven't used a high pick on a QB in more than 20 years are also teams that haven't won anything....I guess we need to start canvasing grocery stores.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6488583)
I guess those are good odds, save for the fact that we represent the 25%.

So maybe it's time to try another approach? Maybe acquiring someone else's backup/castoff isn't working too well?
No, actually we're in the 75%.

Rams: Kurt Warner
New Orleans: Drew Brees
Chiefs: Joe Montana

Miami is the only team that hasn't found a top notch QB since the last time they took a guy in the first round, but as Mecca points out, they had the high quality services of that guy for a really long time so they've had their share of good QB play.

Mecca 01-29-2010 12:02 AM
The Chiefs had Montana for 2 years, it's really hard to count that.

patteeu 01-29-2010 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6488586)
Dude, I never stated that the Chiefs should take a QB with the fifth pick overall. They should have taken a QB last year in the first round but instead, we got Hurrican Tyson Jackson, the 5 tech Wonder Boy.
OK, then I don't understand your protestations. Chris Meck and I were talking about this year (and future years depending on the situation) not last year.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6488586)
And his impact was immeasurable. And I mean that literally.
LMAO

patteeu 01-29-2010 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6488681)
The Chiefs had Montana for 2 years, it's really hard to count that.
You're just sore because you didn't get it right.

DaneMcCloud 01-29-2010 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6488678)
No, actually we're in the 75%.

Rams: Kurt Warner
New Orleans: Drew Brees
Chiefs: Joe Montana

Miami is the only team that hasn't found a top notch QB since the last time they took a guy in the first round, but as Mecca points out, they had the high quality services of that guy for a really long time so they've had their share of good QB play.
But, a case could be made that those guys were all moved because their old teams drafted a first round QB.

Case in point:

Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Steve Young

The Giants and 49ers subsequently won the Super Bowl, so I think it worked out.

patteeu 01-29-2010 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6488681)
The Chiefs had Montana for 2 years, it's really hard to count that.
Besides, the Chiefs had 2 different SB QBs during that time period. Rich Gannon is the other one. Between Montana and Gannon, the Chiefs had a SuperBowl caliber QB on the roster for 6 years.

patteeu 01-29-2010 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6488689)
But, a case could be made that those guys were all moved because their old teams drafted a first round QB.

Case in point:

Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Steve Young

The Giants and 49ers subsequently won the Super Bowl, so I think it worked out.
I'm not against drafting a QB in the first round. I'm against doing it this year. And FWIW, Steve Young wasn't drafted by San Fran.

Mecca 01-29-2010 12:08 AM
You're really stretching now...

DaneMcCloud 01-29-2010 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6488691)
Steve Young wasn't drafted by San Fran.
That doesn't matter.

All of the QB's you listed were moved because their respective teams acquired a QB in the first round.

And two of those three won a Super Bowl.

patteeu 01-29-2010 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6488692)
You're really stretching now...
Do you need vasoline? :p

Mecca 01-29-2010 12:11 AM
The Chiefs traded 2 1st round picks for Montana and Green and got less years combined out of them than the Colts have gotten from Manning, think about that.

RustShack 01-29-2010 12:13 AM
This was touched on earlier in the thread, and I'm not going to go back and quote. But I do love how Chiefs fans are anti-first round QB. They are so afraid of another bust after Blackledge.. but the one QB every year who they would be OK with taking.. is always the system(spread)just like Blackledge instead of the physically talented guy from a Pro Style offense ROFL


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