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mylittlepony 02-14-2010 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6530954)
I'm sure it's just a matter of cosmic randomness that the Colts, Ravens, Steelers, and Packers draft better than everyone else.

Is it really that they draft better? Maybe they develop talent better.

the Talking Can 02-14-2010 12:37 PM

the consensus is that pioli is already a failure

so, the only interesting question is how would people's opinion of him change if he does draft Berry?

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-14-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittlepony (Post 6531165)
Is it really that they draft better? Maybe they develop talent better.

Which is why Peter Giunta was the DC for a SB champion defense (as was G-Rob*2) and yet removed from that talent they "developed" one of the worst collections of talent in the history of the NFL

Mr. Laz 02-14-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittlepony (Post 6531165)
Is it really that they draft better? Maybe they develop talent better.

There's the rub that most people don't talk about.

bad teams seem to turn whomever they draft into shit.


bad drafting or bad player development?


alot people seem to believe that a good player will overcome bad coaching and bad development no matter what. I disagree ... imo there is no way that some of these crappy teams that have been drafting at the top for the last decade could "miss" on their picks that consistently. Bad coaching,Bad development and Bad team environment contributes to the downfall of all those draftees.

Mr. Laz 02-14-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6531171)
the consensus is that pioli is already a failure

only by people too idiotic to be allow to breed in the future.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-14-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6531185)
There's the rub that most people don't talk about.

bad teams seem to turn whomever they draft into shit.


bad drafting or bad player development?


alot people seem to believe that a good player will overcome bad coaching and bad development no matter what. I disagree ... imo there is no way that some of these crappy teams that have been drafting at the top for the last decade could "miss" on their picks that consistently. Bad coaching,Bad development and Bad team environment contributes to the downfall of all those draftees.

Funny how this was a completely foreign concept when people were arguing that changing to a 3-4 would **** up Dorsey's development.

RustShack 02-14-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 6530935)
you may think but you don't know. If you KNOW who's going to be good and who won't, you should be working for an NFL team or at the least ESPN or NFL network. Since you know more than the "experts" and all

Its just too bad the NFL is about who you know and now what you know

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-14-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6531405)
Its just too bad the NFL is about who you know and now what you know

Our head coach has a litany of experience as both a player (ironically used against posters in the past) and a coach. Fortunately, through hard work and dedication he was able to get a foothold in this league, unlike some other nincompoop that was the beneficiary of nepotism, like Rex Ryan.

RustShack 02-14-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6531413)
Our head coach has a litany of experience as both a player (ironically used against posters in the past) and a coach. Fortunately, through hard work and dedication he was able to get a foothold in this league, unlike some other nincompoop that was the beneficiary of nepotism, like Rex Ryan.

Todd Haley first got into the NFL because of his dad..

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-14-2010 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6531449)
Todd Haley first got into the NFL because of his dad..

sarcasm detector

RustShack 02-14-2010 01:46 PM

BOOM

mylittlepony 02-14-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6531179)
Which is why Peter Giunta was the DC for a SB champion defense (as was G-Rob*2) and yet removed from that talent they "developed" one of the worst collections of talent in the history of the NFL

Are you kidding me... the superbowl championship defense of the 1999 Rams. ROFL The best offensive team in the history of the league. Yeah I guess that it took alot of skill to prevent the other team from scoring more then the 30 points per game that the STL offense put up. What a horrible argument(how long did he have to assemble that defense?). Full reerun?

RustShack 02-14-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittlepony (Post 6531799)
Are you kidding me... the superbowl championship defense of the 1999 Rams. ROFL The best offensive team in the history of the league. Yeah I guess that it took alot of skill to prevent the other team from scoring more then the 30 points per game that the STL offense put up. What a horrible argument(how long did he have to assemble that defense?). Full reerun?

Their job was about as hard as the Patriots offense while Weis was there managing the offense to not blow the game for the defense.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-14-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittlepony (Post 6531799)
Are you kidding me... the superbowl championship defense of the 1999 Rams. ROFL The best offensive team in the history of the league. Yeah I guess that it took alot of skill to prevent the other team from scoring more then the 30 points per game that the STL offense put up. What a horrible argument(how long did he have to assemble that defense?). Full reerun?

They were 6th in the league in defense and near the lead league in TO's you Reindeer molesting ****.

mylittlepony 02-15-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6532351)
They were 6th in the league in defense and near the lead league in TO's you Reindeer molesting ****.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that the Rams 1999 defense was a big part in them winning the Superbowl?

That defense was a product of their offense. Maby if teams werent playing catchup they wouldnt be first against the run and in sacks. Look at their time of possetion.

And the rams 1999 defense compared to what Giunta did elsewhere is your basis for saying that good teams aren't better at developing talent? Come on man you are reaching...


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