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chiefzilla1501 04-25-2010 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6712873)
Sorry, but you are wrong. He is a good leader. He is a very good leader, and he leads by example, not just words.

Again, if they have the opportunity to draft a top notch QB, they have my blessings. Drafting a QB with only marginally better talent that is also a headcase and has a nagging toe injury.... just doesn't make much sense to me.

Why reach for a QB in a weak class? Seriously. Take a QB when he is going to be much better than what you have, not just marginally better.
That's what I thought too. Works hard, loves football, good character guy.

What I can't get over is the way he seems to lose his composure sometimes and openly shows his frustration. I also never got the sense that he was "rallying the troops." Much as I hate Sanchez, the one thing I really see in him is a fire that seems contagious. Cassel doesn't seem to have that. It's almost like when the going gets tough, he'd rather sit on the bench and pout.

Tribal Warfare 04-25-2010 04:29 PM
Essentially, KC is in the Gabbert/Andrew Luck sweepstakes now. It doesn't matter how they tried to add "weapons" to make a 4 yard pass into a 15 yard gain. D-cordinators will tell their DBs to undercut those routes and it will lead to a pick 6.

Frankie 04-25-2010 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KCDC (Post 6712852)
It well could be that Weiss wanted Clausen but that Pioli asked him whether Clausen would be exponentially better than Cassel. Because, bringing in Clausen would be disruptive, leaving us in a position like when Quinn and Anderson were in Cleveland. We didn't need to burn #36 for a QB who was a modest upgrade over Cassel. I have to believe if Clausen was night and day better, Pioli might have used #36 to take him.

There are 3-4 good QBs avalable next year. Most teams have solved their QB problems. Oakland has Campbell. Cleveland got McCoy. Panthers got Clausen. Rams have Bradford. So, that leaves the Bills (unless Broehm or Edwards has a good year), the Redskins, and the Vikings needing QBs next year. The Vikes will pick behind us, so we could get one of the top 3 easily enough. There is no certainty that the Skins or Bills will want to use their #1 for a QB anyway.

So, we get another year to see if Cassel rises to the occasion. If not, we are in excellent position to take a potential QBOTF next season, even though we might win enough games that we only have the 16th pick.
Good post.

Frankie 04-25-2010 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief (Post 6712888)
In fairness, he stepped into a difficult situation and had almost nothing to work with. A new team, new coaching staff, the offense was changed with only a week or so left in the preseason, no playmakers until Charles emerged, receivers who couldn't catch a cold, and a horrible offensive line.

I agree that he is going to have to have a better season but I think a wait and see approach is a warranted before we deem him a "piece of shit."
This is what I have been saying all along. :thumb: But even I give him just this coming year to show something.

Chiefnj2 04-25-2010 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6712935)
If this is true, and Weis wanted nothing to do with him, I'll eat my crow and be happy we passed on him. Truly. Weis should know about Jimmy more than anyone. That's good enough for me.
It's hard to believe Weis wanted nothing to do with Clausen, or Tate for that matter, when those two were the primary reason why his collegiate coaching career had any glimmer of hope whatsoever.

Frankie 04-25-2010 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6712927)
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Everyone here has a source and that source always supports their opinion. IT's stupid beyond belief. I don't believe a word of this shit.
My source says we should expect a total surprise with our 2nd round picks.

OnTheWarpath15 04-25-2010 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6714340)
It's hard to believe Weis wanted nothing to do with Clausen, or Tate for that matter, when those two were the primary reason why his collegiate coaching career had any glimmer of hope whatsoever.
Kiper said it on Friday night before the McCluster pick: Make no mistake, this is Scott Pioli's draft.

I have a hard time believing that either coordinator was on board with either pick in R2, considering the talent on the board at the time.

jspchief 04-25-2010 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6714340)
It's hard to believe Weis wanted nothing to do with Clausen, or Tate for that matter, when those two were the primary reason why his collegiate coaching career had any glimmer of hope whatsoever.
Not that hard for me to believe. He's seen more of them than anyone, but that doesn't mean what he saw made him believe they were NFL caliber.

SenselessChiefsFan 04-25-2010 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6714348)
Kiper said it on Friday night before the McCluster pick: Make no mistake, this is Scott Pioli's draft.

I have a hard time believing that either coordinator was on board with either pick in R2, considering the talent on the board at the time.
Yeah, I am sure they were dead set against it. I am sure that having no input would be appealing to two well established coordinators that had other opportunities. I am sure that basically getting told to STFU would sit well with them.

Are you really that dense?

Chiefnj2 04-25-2010 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 6714353)
Not that hard for me to believe. He's seen more of them than anyone, but that doesn't mean what he saw made him believe they were NFL caliber.

Those two kept him from being fired a lot earlier than he was.

The Bad Guy 04-25-2010 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6714348)
Kiper said it on Friday night before the McCluster pick: Make no mistake, this is Scott Pioli's draft.

I have a hard time believing that either coordinator was on board with either pick in R2, considering the talent on the board at the time.
Mel Kiper is an excellent evaluator of college talent. What he doesn't have is connections to NFL teams to know who is pulling the strings and who is involved in helping with the draft board.

If you truly believe that Charlie Weis's knowledge of college players is going to be ignored after he spent the last 5 years recruiting players and studying far more game film than basically everyone then I don't know what to tell you.

DeezNutz 04-25-2010 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6714466)
If you truly believe that Charlie Weis's knowledge of college players is going to be ignored after he spent the last 5 years recruiting players and studying far more game film than basically everyone then I don't know what to tell you.
But these elements don't have to be mutually exclusive, necessarily. In other words, Pioli can respect Weis's opinions about Clausen but still make the decision that Cassel is the long-term answer at QB.

Thus, investing significant resources in a QB, when Haley believes Croyle is a competent backup, makes little sense.

"I respect, ya, Charlie, but Matt's my guy."

Us: Screwed.

chiefzilla1501 04-25-2010 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6714348)
Kiper said it on Friday night before the McCluster pick: Make no mistake, this is Scott Pioli's draft.

I have a hard time believing that either coordinator was on board with either pick in R2, considering the talent on the board at the time.
Why? Who in Pioli's entire tenure in New England does McCluster resemble?

Weis loves RBs who can catch--Faulk was a 700 yard receiver in New England. He loves to run multiple plays from the same formation--it helps to have versatile players (e.g. a tight end who can block AND catch, a RB/WR who can run the ball or motion to the slot) because the defense doesn't know what you're about to do until you start to see players shift around. Weis loves using those formations to shift players over to take advantage of mismatches--you can expect that if he sees McCluster on the field with heavy run personnel, he'll motion him to the slot. And he loves to use screens as a way to keep pressure off the Quarterback--he seems to think that when DEs attack the Quarterback, they become vulnerable to overpursuit, which is when a screen becomes all the more dangerous. His ability to mix those kinds of looks keeps pass rushers on their toes. Finally, in Notre Dame, he ran the Wildcat a lot.

I'd be surprised if Weis isn't excited about what McCluster can do for him.

The Bad Guy 04-25-2010 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6714476)
But these elements don't have to be mutually exclusive, necessarily. In other words, Pioli can respect Weis's opinions about Clausen but still make the decision that Cassel is the long-term answer at QB.

Thus, investing significant resources in a QB, when Haley believes Croyle is a competent backup, makes little sense.

"I respect, ya, Charlie, but Matt's my guy."

Us: Screwed.
If Pioli really thought Cassel was the absolute long-term answer at QB, he's not writing that huge bonus into the contract as an escape clause to get out of it if he falls flat on his face. He's spreading the dollars out in the deal and making him the no-bones about it guy for the next 5 years.

Weis does not believe that Clausen is going to be a productive NFL starter. Parcells guys all believe that a QB has to perform at a high level for 3-4 years as a starter in college. Clausen had just one year of that.

Weis likes Jimmy as a person from everything I've heard. But he doesn't think he has the mental makeup to be a true franchise QB. I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's the info I was given.

OnTheWarpath15 04-25-2010 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6714431)
Yeah, I am sure they were dead set against it. I am sure that having no input would be appealing to two well established coordinators that had other opportunities. I am sure that basically getting told to STFU would sit well with them.

Are you really that dense?
Who said they didn't have input, dipshit?

I'm sure they were able to speak their minds, but it doesn't mean that Pioli took what they wanted into consideration.

If RAC wanted a nickle CB over a starting ILB or pass rusher, than God help us all.


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