He got banged up a couple times near the end of the game, but that's not the point. The point is that he hardly even touched the ball until the 4th quarter, which is completely asinine.

I want to believe in Weis ... gall bladder or no gall bladder.

He's freaking me out, though. Sometimes it looks like we're playing a scrimmage or pre-season game out there ... trying to develop offensive players like Cassel, rather than trying to win the game outright.

Lenny says that, when you find something that works, keep doing it until the enemy stops you. That makes some sense ... not that you can be so predictable that you stop yourself, of course. But, there are certain things that seemed to be working consistently today (more or less) and we kept going back to the things that appear more difficult for us and less likely to convert.

Weis is supposed to be good at this. One has to wonder if our coaching staff is really thinking about this year ... or next.

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I understand completely.

But, what's your point?

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This. It irritates me when one play at the end of the game is deemed "the reason we lost."

Well, it's a little easier to definitively point a finger at that play because you know what would have happened afterwards. Bowe drops the same pass in the first quarter, nobody notices. But since he dropped it during the clutch... when a catch would have iced the game, he's singled out. I think he deserves it too. This isn't some new development.

I chose Bowe but there should be an 'entire team' option. That was just sloppy, undisciplined football. All the stupid penalties....I mean, ****. We travel to Oakland and then we play exactly like them in their house. Pathetic.

Bowe makes that catch and we're not discussing this. I was pissed all afternoon at the ease in which the Oakland defense was in our backfield so quick. Waters time is up.

I made a thread on here saying that the chiefs collapse started with the arrival of Bowe, and got grilled for it and got neg rep ect...

I think in time it will start to show, how many of his drops have cost us games...

My point in that thread was that when you have a consistently bad team then you have to start looking at the "stars" of that team as the problem, as the crap and bottom of the roster is recycled often. Well to me, when we drafted Bowe is when we started to suck.

I think Bowe would still win this vote but I would have liked to see special teams at least as an option in this poll.

Ever since week 1, they haven't done squat.

Sure, Bowe could have made that 4th QTR catch. Sure, Flowers could have batted down that ball. Look at McGraw in the 4th QTR, then let's argue more.

This was a team loss. Look at the number of penalties.

Team loss.......I put most on Coaches........really bad play calling.

Trying to make this team a passing team and Charles not getting his carries.

I disagree.
On the INT, a QB who has no pressure and a wide open WR in the end zone for a very short pass? Doesn't get more routine than that.

Bowe is the easiest target for sure. The whole team looked like dog meat except for #91 T. Hali......he was busting his ass all game long. It appears he gets it in a big way.

All the penalties were just f'n stupid. At least 10 points were taken off the board because of penalties. Matt Cassels pick before halftime was absolutley BRUTAL. Cassel had a HORSE SHIT GAME FOR SURE. How many times did he miss wide open receivers with high passes ?


Oakland was plan lucky that our intire organization looked like it ate shit sandwichs before getting off the team bus toplay the game.

1. Coaching.
2. Special Teams.
3. Flowers
4. Bowe
5. Cassel

In that order.