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O.city 08-14-2011 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7825626)
Everyone knew the Chiefs schedule was weak going into last year and guess what, it was weak once the season started.

yeah the schedule was weak but we took advantage. It happens I guess when you win 10 games in three years that you get an easy schedule.

SenselessChiefsFan 08-14-2011 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 7824046)
Those are your "gimmies?" Beating the Steelers & sweeping the Raiders? Now that is confidence!

Steelers are lights out against the rush & allowed the fewest points of any team. Oakland lost Miller & gained Boss - not too much of a loss. Losing Nnamdi will hurt... but you also say that Nnamdi isn't much of a factor when playing the Chiefs. Calling victories in those 3 games.... you a true fan!

Wow.... "I think" means 'gimme'. If it were in Pittsburg, I wouldn't think the Chiefs had a chance. It is at home. And, the Steelers weren't really blowing doors off of teams last year. They haven't added any big pieces, and the defense is getting old. The Chiefs corners should match up well, and the Steelers offensive line is bailed out by Big Ben. I just 'think' the Chiefs win that game.

Now, onto the Raiders. For all of Cable's flaws, he got that team to play harder than they have in a long time. I don't have the same faith in Jackson. I think there will be growing pains with Jackson. Jackson is a first time head coach.

Boss is not on the same level, and you are kidding yourself if you think he is.

As far as the loss of Nnamdi, he shut down half of the field. He made your entire defense better. The Chiefs....err... every team in the NFL will be able to exploit your secondary.

Now, lets look at Denver. Fox has been a head coach. He is a defensive minded coach that should be able to get the woeful defense to play better. The offense is clearly a step ahead of Oakland with Kyle Orton.

We will see what happens. I just see the Raiders lose two big pieces and the best head coach they have had in a while.

I see the Broncos trade an awful head coach for a proven guy. I guess I just put more stock in coaching than you do.

Of course, then again, you are a Raiders fan.... so I guess you get that from uncle Al.

Exoter175 08-14-2011 10:14 PM

You know, despite the fact that we've got a tough schedule ahead of us, according to last year's standings, I really think that if we can improve on our fundamentals from last year (didn't see it in the first preseason game sadly), we'll actually be able to be really competitive against the schedule we were given, including that brutal 5 week stretch.

As long as we can wrap up on defense, get penetration, and then convert 3rd downs on Offense, we're going to be a pretty tough team ourselves.

luv 08-14-2011 10:46 PM

Even if we don't, I think we'll be a better team than last year.

Dave Lane 08-15-2011 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 7825744)
Even if we don't, I think we'll be a better team than last year.

No question about that. Less than 8-8 would be disappointing but the record this year MAY not indicate the true strength of the team.

BigRichard 08-15-2011 08:37 AM

I love everyone that thinks we are going to sweep the division. We will probably go 3-3 in the division. It doesn't matter how good or bad the other team is. Division games are never a gimme.

ReynardMuldrake 08-15-2011 08:43 AM

I think we will slip a little this year, but not far. 9-7 is my guess.

FlaChief58 08-15-2011 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 7823077)
Yes. 8 games.

It'll probably be enough to win the division again :D

Ugly Duck 08-16-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 7825672)
Now, onto the Raiders. For all of Cable's flaws, he got that team to play harder than they have in a long time. I don't have the same faith in Jackson. I think there will be growing pains with Jackson. Jackson is a first time head coach.

Boss is not on the same level, and you are kidding yourself if you think he is.

As far as the loss of Nnamdi, he shut down half of the field. He made your entire defense better. The Chiefs....err... every team in the NFL will be able to exploit your secondary.

Now, lets look at Denver. Fox has been a head coach. He is a defensive minded coach that should be able to get the woeful defense to play better. The offense is clearly a step ahead of Oakland with Kyle Orton.

We will see what happens. I just see the Raiders lose two big pieces and the best head coach they have had in a while.

I see the Broncos trade an awful head coach for a proven guy. I guess I just put more stock in coaching than you do.

Of course, then again, you are a Raiders fan.... so I guess you get that from uncle Al.

Much of what you say makes sense, Sensible. But I still say its really a stretch to suggest that momentum has shifted so severely this offseason that Denver will be a better team than Oakland. Here's a different take on Raider coaching from the Senior Analyst at NFL.com:

Raiders have reason to think playoffs with Jackson at the helm - By Gil Brandt NFL.com

NAPA, Calif. -- Getting to go to certain training camps year after year, you really have a chance to evaluate the current version of a team vs. what you saw the prior season. In the three practices that I've seen, the Oakland Raiders seem like a team ready to accomplish something in 2011. I'm not sold on the San Diego Chargers bouncing back this season and the Kansas City Chiefs could take a step back after winning the AFC West last season. That's where the Raiders come in. Hue Jackson's team is ready to make a playoff run. You see the attitude adjustment in camp with him as the head coach and with his two new coordinators. One thing that seems to have changed under Jackson is the physical demand on players. They appear to be working harder and hustling more between drills. It's not a 75 percent jog that's been the case in years past; it's a 110 percent all the time. Jackson's rallying cry for the team this year is to be the "bully on the block." The Raiders are well on their way to living up to the slogan, and here are some reasons why they could win the AFC West this season.

Campbell taking the next step: It appears Jason Campbell is ready to thrive with new offensive coordinator Al Saunders, who has nearly 30 years of NFL coaching experience. Saunders is really good at doing things to make quarterbacks better. He won't call the plays for Campbell, Jackson will, but the foundation for success is in place. Don't forget, Campbell didn't play poorly last season and has 22 more touchdown passes than interceptions in his career.

More weapons on offense: The receiving corps isn't the best group in the league, but it's capable enough to make Campbell a better quarterback. The Raiders want to run the ball -- they had the second-ranked ground game in 2010 -- but they have more weapons in the passing game. Jacoby Ford had a pretty darn good rookie year and should only get better. He's so much more confident than he was last season. Louis Murphy is a pretty good receiver, while Darrius Heyward-Bey always looks like he's ready for the next step -- but potential hasn't led to production yet. Marcel Reece really creates matchup problems out of the backfield because he's a former wide receiver playing fullback. He can run, catch and his speed makes a him a tough cover. Fifth-round pick Denarius Moore can run a sub-4.4 second 40-yard dash and really runs good routes. A lot of fast guys can't get out of their breaks, but he can. He could have an immediate impact. He's also good on kick returns. He had a long one called back in the Raiders' preseason opener against the Arizona Cardinals. The Raiders lost Pro Bowl tight end Zach Miller in free agency, but Kevin Boss is a pretty even exchange. Sixth-round pick Richard Gordon is going to give them a great blocking tight end. That should help their running game.

Defense taking shape: The defense is anchored by veteran Richard Seymour. He's the leader of every drill, running around like a rookie who's trying to make the team. As a whole, the defense has a good mix of veterans with younger guys like Rolando McClain and Lamarr Houston, which usually leads to success. Speaking of McClain, he's dropped 10 pounds from last year and is really moving well. He came in as a rookie with an attitude off a national title team like he had nothing to prove. That's gone now. Stanford Routt takes over the role of the team's top cornerback for the departed Nnamdi Asomugha. Third-round pick DeMarcus Van Dyke, who has impressed and can hold his own in man coverage, could be an early contributor. He's a young guy with talent who gets to learn the ins and outs of the game from a Hall of Famer in Rod Woodson, the Raiders cornerback coach.

Impact special teams can make: The third phase of the game is often overlooked, but the Raiders have a great punter (Shane Lechler), kicker (Sebastian Janikowski) and return man (Jacoby Ford). Special teams can make a difference in close games, just ask the Chargers. The Raiders went 6-0 in the division last season in part because of what the unit provided.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-16-2011 02:39 PM

The Raiders recieving corp is awful.

the Talking Can 08-16-2011 02:41 PM

KC Chiefs: We're Not As Good As Them



...but don't criticize our players or coaches because they're all awesome....just, you know, not that good....but awesome! don't criticize them...

RNR 08-16-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 7824073)
Not as big of a deal as a complete coaching change. It was Hue Jackson's offense in 2010, not Cable's. Under Cable in 2009, the Raiders offense ranked 31st in both yardage and scoring. In 2010, Hue's offense took them to 10th in yardage and 6th in scoring. It'll be the same guy calling the plays in the same offense. Understandably, ChiefsFanz choose to think that the coaching "change" will send the team back to square 1 & all of the draft picks will be busts & none of the FA's will help & the losses are so devastating that the team that swept the division is so weakened that it has fallen below Denver. Understandably, RaiderFanz think that is an exaggeration.....

It is an upgrade and will be seamless. They are still a team with glaring holes but they are better off with Jackson. As far as the west I have no idea, I would not be surprised to see Oak, KC, or the bolts win it~

DTLB58 08-16-2011 03:07 PM

I voted for No cause I don't think they will win "exactly" 8 games. Bad wording of poll question btw. I'm going for 16 just for spite cause of the stupid wording of this question. :D

RNR 08-16-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 7829710)
I voted for No cause I don't think they will win "exactly" 8 games. Bad wording of poll question btw. I'm going for 16 just for spite cause of the stupid wording of this question. :D

Thats the spirit ;)

OctoberFart 09-13-2011 02:52 PM

I have never been more confident with a bet. KC will be lucky to win 5 games. Can't wait til Oakland pounds your guys heads down in the mud.


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