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L.A. Chieffan 03-18-2012 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8467606)
Because in Orton, you get a few things. #1 - the assurance that the Chiefs are no longer married to Cassel. #2 - in future years, you get a cheap backup. Do you realize that beyond 2012, Orton's contract is $1-2M? That's chump change. #3 - better QB play. #4 - Yes, I do believe Orton can win us a playoff game, even if we can't make the Super Bowl. And this organization badly, badly needs to get that chip off their shoulder.

Matt Cassel has to be cut. His contract is reasonable this year, but there is no ****ing way he should be paid $9M in 2013. All we're doing right now is providing superior weapons for Cassel to look good to the Chiefs, when in fact it's the supporting cast that's going to win games for him.

Add in the fact that with Routt, we have a ton of cap space and we chose to go with a inferior 29 year old over a 26 year old. And it's not like we saved a ton of money either.
How is Carr better than Routt besides being younger? Carr is about to get owned.

Orton is just another guy.

TheGuardian 03-18-2012 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8465691)
I wasn't going to until we signed Quinn. A+ on this side of the fence.
After reading that time line about Quinn and doing more digging, I'm going to go with Pesti on this one (see I'm not dogmatic).

I want to see what Quinn can do if he gets a fair shot at competing for the job.

His situations may have been a bigger factor than I realized. Pesti and I don't agree much, but I'm going to side with him on this one and say if Quinn gets a fair shake he should beat out Cassel.

We'll see.........

wazu 03-18-2012 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8467599)
This team addressed a huge hole at RT, and replaced an ineffective RB and TE.

Kyle Ortan, with this roster, might win a game that Cassel would lose.

Big ****ing deal.

We are actually crying about losing out on a medicre QB?

Seriously?
Nobody is "actually crying" about losing Orton. Just saying the team as of now is less competitive than it was at end of 2011. We will start the 2012 season with a less effective QB than the one we ended 2011 with. That's all. I don't consider any offseason in which that happens to be a "success".

milkman 03-18-2012 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8467606)
Because in Orton, you get a few things. #1 - the assurance that the Chiefs are no longer married to Cassel. #2 - in future years, you get a cheap backup. Do you realize that beyond 2012, Orton's contract is $1-2M? That's chump change. #3 - better QB play. #4 - Yes, I do believe Orton can win us a playoff game, even if we can't make the Super Bowl. And this organization badly, badly needs to get that chip off their shoulder.

Matt Cassel has to be cut. His contract is reasonable this year, but there is no ****ing way he should be paid $9M in 2013. All we're doing right now is providing superior weapons for Cassel to look good to the Chiefs, when in fact it's the supporting cast that's going to win games for him.

Add in the fact that with Routt, we have a ton of cap space and we chose to go with a inferior 29 year old over a 26 year old. And it's not like we saved a ton of money either.
We saved 4 mil a year.

That's not chump change.

And the miniscule chance that Ortan could lead this team to a playoff win isn't worth the crying that you're doing.

Agent V 03-18-2012 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8467563)
Winston + Hillis + Boss + Quinn + Cassel + Routt < Richardson + Battle + Pope + Palko + Orton + Carr
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...3182/0reCv.gif

I've been extremely critical of Pioli after Orton and Carr walked, but his moves since then more than make up for that. Credit where credit is due. The QB position is still a monumental ****-up, though. We agree on that.

Bump 03-18-2012 09:53 AM
NO

a legendary QB is available and we're not interested. The one player who would give us a legit chance at a Superbowl, the difference maker and we're staying with limp dick Cassel. So, NO, it's not a successful offseason.

L.A. Chieffan 03-18-2012 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8467623)
NO

a legendary QB is available and we're not interested. The one player who would give us a legit chance at a Superbowl, the difference maker and we're staying with limp dick Cassel. So, NO, it's not a successful offseason.
They WERE interested and Manning told them to **** OFF. You, he told YOU to **** off. How does that make you feel man? To know that Manning thinks you suck.

milkman 03-18-2012 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 8467617)
Nobody is "actually crying" about losing Orton. Just saying the team as of now is less competitive than it was at end of 2011. We will start the 2012 season with a less effective QB than the one we ended 2011 with. That's all. I don't consider any offseason in which that happens to be a "success".
I disagree.

While Ortan might be slightly better than Cassel, the additions we made at RT, RB and TE are bigger gains that the loss of Oratn.

These guys can create the illusion that was created in 2010, but do an even better job of it.

The only thing I can agree to here is that the illusion they create will effectively tie us to Cassel for another 2 or 3 years.

But since I have never believed we'd be moving away from Cassel in that time frame anyway, I just can't get too pissed about that anymore.

wazu 03-18-2012 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8467626)
They WERE interested and Manning told them to **** OFF. You, he told YOU to **** off. How does that make you feel man? To know that Manning thinks you suck.
It makes me angry.

007 03-18-2012 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8467448)
What the **** does Cassel have to do with the moves made this off season?
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Because we are going nowhere with Cassel under center even with the FA acquisitions.

Mr_Tomahawk 03-18-2012 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 8467615)
After reading that time line about Quinn and doing more digging, I'm going to go with Pesti on this one (see I'm not dogmatic).

I want to see what Quinn can do if he gets a fair shot at competing for the job.

His situations may have been a bigger factor than I realized. Pesti and I don't agree much, but I'm going to side with him on this one and say if Quinn gets a fair shake he should beat out Cassel.

We'll see.........
I feel the same.

I'm willing to hold off on judgement until he has a fair shot with our starters.

I am doubtful on him so I am not getting my hopes up. I hope I am wrong though...

L.A. Chieffan 03-18-2012 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 8467630)
It makes me angry.
it should. it should make you want to rape his bitch ass with a crow bar.

manning can eat a dick, i hope his neck explodes on the first hit of the season. but im not bitter or anything

Bump 03-18-2012 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8467626)
They WERE interested and Manning told them to **** OFF. You, he told YOU to **** off. How does that make you feel man? To know that Manning thinks you suck.
that should say a lot about Pioli and Clark because this is the most ready team out of his options, maybe besides the 49ers.

Agent V 03-18-2012 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8467632)
Because we are going nowhere with Cassel under center even with the FA acquisitions.
I'm holding out hope that Crennel truly does not like Cassel, and will hold that bias through training camp when he's up against his "competition."

L.A. Chieffan 03-18-2012 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8467636)
that should say a lot about Pioli and Clark because this is the most ready team out of his options, maybe besides the 49ers.
no it just means manning is dumb. he doesnt get it, just like the other 99% of the country who dont pay attention to the chiefs


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