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WTF Mike Silver says we are the 28th best team in the NFL (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=259079)

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 8582863)

Minus the QB, the chiefs are in the top 5 in terms of overall talent

LMAO

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8583090)

You can't keep saying "possible" while ignoring the fact that the only reason anyone worried about that pick was his injury risk.

He's injury prone - period. He was injury prone in college and now he's straining his body even harder to compete with larger, faster men then ever before. He's being hit by guys that hit harder than ever. He's not going to suddenly escape the injury issues.

He's always going to be an injury risk. Even if he gives you a healthy season, can you truly count on him for the following season? Can you ever truly build an offense with him identified as a critical contributor?

I just don't see it. He's an injury risk that's been injured as a professional. He has the potential to do great things in this league...just as he did going into the draft. But alas, the dude can't stay on the field and if you can't rely on the guy, what good is he?

What he said.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8583024)

McCluster, Arenas and Moeaki are not good picks. Nickle backs and kick returners are not, under any circumstances, worth 2nd rounders. And Moeaki was an injury risk that's already missed half-his career and has been less productive than multiple TEs taken after him.

Berry was simply too damn simple for me to give him credit for.

I'll concede I forgot Lewis. Lewis was a good pick. But it's still no more than an average draft considering the position we sat in each of those rounds (at the very top) as well as the fact that we had an extra 2nd rounder.

Like I said earlier, I understand disliking the value of the players. But that's like criticizing a tree for being too slow -- every team is all over the place everywhere on value for picks, with the exception of maybe the Bengals, who seem to use a different system from everybody else.

But there's no questioning we got a really good haul that 95% of the NFL can't match.

I'm not willing to warrant that bad grade simply because I wish they picked the players in a different order.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8583036)

Carr and Flowers were developing extremely well as rookies. And Carr damn near got demolished by Haley when he arrived; he got knocked backwards by the coaching staff, IMO. Dorsey's skill-set is nowhere near worth the #5 overall pick yet many were arguing we got the steal of the first round when he slipped to us in the 1st the year we took him. Dorsey was an elite talent coming out of school that has become nothing more than a throw-away lunch-pail player that absolutely needs to be upgraded.

Bowe, and Johnson were all well on their way to being good players until Haley came in and shit all over them in 2009. So yeah, compared to what Haley turned them into in 2009, they were gangbusters in 2010. They'd have been just as well off under adequate coaching from damn near anyone. Pioli gets credit for Bowe....that just cracks me up.

Well we just have alternate versions of history. Apparently Johnson was on a four-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Bowe was on a two-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Tamba Hali was on a three-year learning curve that Haley just happened to arrive at. Apparently Carr was on a two-year ascention to becoming a #1 corner that Haley just happened to arrive at.

Like I said, if that's the line you want to take, I'm going to disagree with that. I'm going with the easiest line to believe -- that Herm and Carl's system of development was grossly poor, and Pioli's has been, at the very least, effective.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8583098)

What he said.

I believe you meant to say PURE HATE

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8583090)

That's fair.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8583107)

I believe you meant to say PURE HATE

Snappy comeack.

Whether we have top five talent or not, a great QB masks a lot of weaknesses. I think some people (including myself) forget sometimes that we have Cassel behind center when evaluating our team. QB is a pretty important position...understatement of the century.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8583113)

Snappy comeack.

I'm just bemused by it, is all.

What the hell would we argue about if the Chiefs actually won a SB?

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 8583011)

Would you really have done what the Redskins have done?

They have sold out their future, repeatedly, since Snyder has owned the team.

They have to, they gotta sell the fan base on the hype.

I would not trade talent with the Redskins, and by your very own words earlier, RG3 hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet.
If the Chiefs players haven't he sure as hell hasn't. See how that works?

no comment?

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8583113)

Snappy comeack.

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I fail to see how Bowe being arguably the most productive WR of his class the first 2 years suggests a 'learning curve'.

86 catches for over 1,000 yards and 7 TDs as a Sophomore sure looks a hell of a lot like 81 catches for over 1,100 yards and 5 TDs during his 5th season in the league, doesn't it?

Bowe's the same player he's always been, even as a rookie. He's not one cent better than he was when Haley came into KC.

Look at what Johnson did his 3rd year in the league - 94 tackles, 4 sacks and 2 picks; 3 FF. As a sophomore in 13 games due to injury he had 76 tackles, 4.5 sacks and 2 FF. As a rookie the dude had damn near 100 tackles and 2 sacks.

He's marginally better, perhaps, than he was in his first 4 seasons in the league. But it's pure revisionist history (and buying into Haley's bullshit benching) to suggest that DJ wasn't well on his way to being a very good player before Haley came into town and shit all over him in 2009.

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8583118)

What the hell would we argue about if the Chiefs actually won a SB?

We'd argue about who actually won it.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8583122)

I fail to see how Bowe being arguably the most productive WR of his class the first 2 years suggests a 'learning curve'.

86 catches for over 1,000 yards and 7 TDs as a Sophomore sure looks a hell of a lot like 81 catches for over 1,100 yards and 5 TDs during his 5th season in the league, doesn't it?

Bowe's the same player he's always been, even as a rookie. He's not one cent better than he was when Haley came into KC.

Look at what Johnson did his 3rd year in the league - 94 tackles, 4 sacks and 2 picks; 3 FF. As a sophomore in 13 games due to injury he had 76 tackles, 4.5 sacks and 2 FF. As a rookie the dude had damn near 100 tackles and 2 sacks.

He's marginally better, perhaps, than he was in his first 4 seasons in the league. But it's pure revisionist history (and buying into Haley's bullshit benching) to suggest that DJ wasn't well on his way to being a very good player before Haley came into town and shit all over him in 2009.

I call Bullshit. I don't really care what the stats say, he was making better plays, this last year. Plays he would not have made before.

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8583118)

What the hell would we argue about if the Chiefs actually won a SB?

People would complain because we wouldn't have the talent to make it to multiple Super Bowls and that it was just a one time, luck thing.

And that's regardless of if our team actually was extremely talented or not.

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8583144)

Man if we won the Super Bowl in my lifetime I wouldn't be complaining for a LONG time. Football is my favorite sport and the Chiefs are my favorite team so the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl would be icing on the sports cake for me. You could take all my teams away but the Chiefs.