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htismaqe 12-14-2012 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9207816)
It never fails. Somebody interjects some reason into an argument involving drafting a QB and it turns into "You're scared to draft a QB". I personally am in favor of staying where they are and drafting a QB. But only an idiot doesn't acknowledge the possibility that none of these QBs are good enough to draft #1 overall, and the possibility that the next GM of this team would rather have a bunch of draft picks and what he thinks is as good a QB later.

Everybody here has already acknowledged the FACT that there might not be a QB good enough to draft #1 overall.

The problem is that there isn't any other player, at any other position, that's good enough to draft #1 overall either.

Unless you want a DT.

I've never suggested that YOU were too scared. I'm pretty sure I knew where you stand, even before you posted it in the above.

All I'm saying is that I've considered the possibility that you raised...

And I've dismissed it. There is no other suitable course of action.

RealSNR 12-14-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9207816)
It never fails. Somebody interjects some reason into an argument involving drafting a QB and it turns into "You're scared to draft a QB". I personally am in favor of staying where they are and drafting a QB. But only an idiot doesn't acknowledge the possibility that none of these QBs are good enough to draft #1 overall, and the possibility that the next GM of this team would rather have a bunch of draft picks and what he thinks is as good a QB later.

I appreciate that you're seeing all sides to this debate.

I did the same awhile ago. I came to the conclusion that this team doesn't ****ing need all those extra picks. What we need is a GM who knows how to ****ing draft. If Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster, Jon Baldwin, Tony Moeaki, or even ****ing Gabe Miller were any good at all, absolutely nobody would think we have a lack of talent on this team. If you hit on 2 or more of your draft picks per year, you're doing an above average. We haven't had one of those drafts since 2008, and thanks to Pioli all of those players are leaving.

So you're right. We need the QB, and we should stay at #1 and draft that guy. What you're not considering when you're weighing the options is if we even need all those draft picks if we could just bring in a GM who acquires talent through the draft like a competent talent evaluator should.

Brock 12-14-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207838)
All I'm saying is that I've considered the possibility that you raised...

And I've dismissed it. There is no other suitable course of action.

It doesn't matter whether you've considered it and dismissed it. It exists.

Hoover 12-14-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207838)
Everybody here has already acknowledged the FACT that there might not be a QB good enough to draft #1 overall.

You can't use the word FACT and "might" in the same sentence, because then its not a FACT.

I don't understand why Geno is so disrespected, but the talking heads all loved Tim Couch, David Carr, and Russell

htismaqe 12-14-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9207854)
It doesn't matter whether you've considered it and dismissed it. It exists.

And I've acknowledged it exists.

So what's the problem again? :D

Tribal Warfare 12-14-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9207862)
You can't use the word FACT and "might" in the same sentence, because then its not a FACT.

I don't understand why Geno is so disrespected, but the talking heads all loved Tim Couch, David Carr, and Russell

Jeff George and Ryan Leaf too

BossChief 12-14-2012 01:13 PM

Has a team picking first overall ever willingly traded out of the pick when they needed a qb?

htismaqe 12-14-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9207862)
You can't use the word FACT and "might" in the same sentence, because then its not a FACT.

No, the possibility that none of the QBs in this draft are worth a #1 overall pick is a FACT. There might not be one.

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9207862)
I don't understand why Geno is so disrespected, but the talking heads all loved Tim Couch, David Carr, and Russell

What experts are you talking about? Guys like Kiper LOVED Jamarcus Russell, thought he was one of the best prospects EVER. Kiper is one of the ones trying to tell everyone there's no elite QB in this draft.

ChiefsCountry 12-14-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9207875)
Has a team picking first overall ever willingly traded out of the pick when they needed a qb?

San Diego

Hoover 12-14-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9207875)
Has a team picking first overall ever willingly traded out of the pick when they needed a qb?

San Diago and they too Brees in the 2nd

htismaqe 12-14-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9207875)
Has a team picking first overall ever willingly traded out of the pick when they needed a qb?

The only trades I can remember that included the #1 overall pick involved QBs.

htismaqe 12-14-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9207881)
San Diego

San Diego didn't trade the pick. They took Eli Manning and then traded his rights to the Giants and took Phillip Rivers.

Hoover 12-14-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207880)
No, the possibility that none of the QBs in this draft are worth a #1 overall pick is a FACT. There might not be one.



What experts are you talking about? Guys like Kiper LOVED Jamarcus Russell, thought he was one of the best prospects EVER. Kiper is one of the ones trying to tell everyone there's no elite QB in this draft.

Two sentences fixes the problems.

My point about Geno is just what you said. Russell is the best ever, but Geno isn't worth the pick. I don't trust them, or really care what they think.

RealSNR 12-14-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207880)
What experts are you talking about? Guys like Kiper LOVED Jamarcus Russell, thought he was one of the best prospects EVER. Kiper is one of the ones trying to tell everyone there's no elite QB in this draft.

Read his post again. He's saying he doesn't understand why a guy like Kiper thought Jamarcus Russell was phenomenal, but thinks Geno Smith isn't worth the high pick.

Hoover 12-14-2012 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207891)
San Diego didn't trade the pick. They took Eli Manning and then traded his rights to the Giants and took Phillip Rivers.

I'm talking about the 2001 draft when SD traded down from the 1st pick, which was Vick to take LT. Then they drafted Brees


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