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ToxSocks 03-13-2013 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9494678)
Who?



No. ***** was bargain shopping in 2009. He wasn't aggressive and he wasn't accused of overspending on solid FAs. There's almost no similarity.



You're conveniently ignoring the "head" part of head coach. The difference in experience between Todd Haley and Andy Reid is greater than the difference in experience between Alex Smith and Matt Cassel.
Who? Uhm....Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson & Tamba Hali?

Yeah, Pioli bargained shopped.....that's what Dorsey is doing now....Picking up 2nd tier F/A. Don't get me wrong, i don't mind the signings that he has made....but make no mistake....these are 2nd/3rd tier Quality guys.

Yeah, i conveniently left out some details....but so did you....so what.

patteeu 03-13-2013 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9494664)
Exactly. What ticks me off is most here act like they know Geno IS the savior when we don't know that. For all we know he could be another JaMarcus Russell.
Watch out. It's OK to compare Mike DeVito to a washed up Kelly Gregg even though they play different positions, but it's not OK to compare Geno Smith to any failed black QB, no matter how many non-racial similarities there are. It's safer to stick with comparisons to Tim Couch, David Carr, and Ryan Leaf.

The Franchise 03-13-2013 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9494678)
Who?



No. ***** was bargain shopping in 2009. He wasn't aggressive and he wasn't accused of overspending on solid FAs. There's almost no similarity.



You're conveniently ignoring the "head" part of head coach. The difference in experience between Todd Haley and Andy Reid is greater than the difference in experience between Alex Smith and Matt Cassel.

Who?

Derrick Johnson, Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali and Jamaal Charles.

bevischief 03-13-2013 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9494630)
That's to be determined.

If Geno Smith or Matt Barkley are top 15 QBs in the next 3 years......this trade was a huge failure. Especially if Alex Smith grades out as......Alex ****ing Smith.
This.

The Franchise 03-13-2013 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9494656)
Top 15? In a 32 team league? Setting the bar super high aren't you?
Dude....that's above average after 2-3 years in the league.

dirk digler 03-13-2013 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9494679)
You know what a rookie franchise QB provides?

Hope.

Sure, he may turn out to be another JaMarcus Russell.

Sadly, we already know that Alex Smith is.
BINGO

Messier 03-13-2013 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9494672)
Why, so they can pick up Matt Flynn? Matt Moore?

The decision to trade for Alex Smith has set the franchise back at least 5 years. 7-8 more considering the team will need to replace every player worth a damn already on the roster.
This is fairly simple. Reid and Dorsey see something in Alex Smith that a lot of people here do not. We'll see who's right this year.

No team is ever set back 5 or more years unless they draft poorly over and over. The NFl is built to never be bad for long unless you almost try to be bad.

-King- 03-13-2013 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9494664)
Exactly. What ticks me off is most here act like they know Geno IS the savior when we don't know that. For all we know he could be another JaMarcus Russell.
This. Or he could end up being benched 4 times in his career like Alex Smith for subpar QBs like Trent Dilfer, JT Osullivan, and Sean Hill.

Good thing we traded for Ale...


****!

ToxSocks 03-13-2013 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9494685)
Watch out. It's OK to compare Mike DeVito to a washed up Kelly Gregg even though they play different positions, but it's not OK to compare Geno Smith to any failed black QB, no matter how many non-racial similarities there are. It's safer to stick with comparisons to Tim Couch, David Carr, and Ryan Leaf.
wth are you even talking about.

No one here KNOWS Geno Smith, or even acts like they KNOW Geno Smith is going to be a stud. If that's what you think, then the point has completely sailed over your head.

Whooooosh! Look up, because the point is somewhere way up there.

BossChief 03-13-2013 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9494671)
@DannyParkins: When I asked Alex Smith about a contract extension he said he has an agent for that but "in a way I feel like I need to earn that." #Chiefs

FWIW
Interesting.

I totally agree.

OnTheWarpath15 03-13-2013 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9494701)
This. Or he could end up being benched 4 times in his career like Alex Smith for subpar QBs like Trent Dilfer, JT Osullivan, and Sean Hill.

Good thing we traded for Ale...


****!
LMAO

TEX 03-13-2013 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9494646)
Of course we should ignore his first 7 years in the league.

While we're at it, we should ignore that the Niners tried to replace him with Peyton Manning, when that didn't happen, they drafted his replacement, and within a season and a half, had lost his job to a 2nd year player.

They've been dying to get rid of the guy for years.
The way that everyone was trying to get rid of Rich Gannon? Give the guy a chance

patteeu 03-13-2013 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9494684)
Who? Uhm....Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson & Tamba Hali?
Nope. Not in 2009.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9494684)
Yeah, ***** bargained shopped.....that's what Dorsey is doing now....Picking up 2nd tier F/A. Don't get me wrong, i don't mind the signings that he has made....but make no mistake....these are 2nd/3rd tier Quality guys.
There's a difference between big name guys and top tier guys. No matter what tier these guys are coming from, they aren't bargains. You don't find bargains on day 1 of free agency. That's why Pioli didn't aggressively pursue free agents on day 1. He waited until he could pick over the crumbs later in the process. That's the difference I pointed out. A pretty big difference, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9494684)
Yeah, i conveniently left out some details....but so did you....so what.
No, I didn't leave out any detail. You asked for differences and I gave them to you. In your effort to refute so you can maintain your self-delusion about how similar the two regimes have been, you disingenuously ignored the actual difference I pointed out.

ToxSocks 03-13-2013 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9494696)
This is fairly simple. Reid and Dorsey see something in Alex Smith that a lot of people here do not.
Said every Coach who came to SF during Smith's tenure.

Regime Killer. We're replacing one with another.

BossChief 03-13-2013 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9494704)
wth are you even talking about.

No one here KNOWS Geno Smith, or even acts like they KNOW Geno Smith is going to be a stud. If that's what you think, then the point has completely sailed over your head.

Whooooosh! Look up, because the point is somewhere way up there.
Exactly.

Geno + Andy Reid = 50% chance at franchise QB for 15 years.

I'd take that in a heartbeat.


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