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Marcellus 01-02-2014 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10328259)
I don't Smith think will ever develop a rapport with Bowe. Smith isn't comfortable trusting his receivers to make the play, and Bowe isn't a receiver that frequently gets the degree of open that Smith is looking for.

One could argue Smith doesn't trust Bowe to go make a play as he has a tendency to cut routes short etc and not fight for the ball.

jspchief 01-02-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10328497)
One could argue Smith doesn't trust Bowe to go make a play as he has a tendency to cut routes short etc and not fight for the ball.

Except it's not just a Bowe thing. It's what Smith needs from any receiver. He's needs guys to be very open to pull the trigger. imo

Marcellus 01-02-2014 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10328519)
Except it's not just a Bowe thing. It's what Smith needs from any receiver. He's needs guys to be very open to pull the trigger. imo

I think there is a huge misconception on CP that QB's around the league throw to covered WR all the time and it works out well.

htismaqe 01-02-2014 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10328536)
I think there is a huge misconception on CP that QB's around the league throw to covered WR all the time and it works out well.

Alex Smith requires a different level of "open" than a lot of QBs do. That's not even really debatable. You only have to watch the games to see it.

Mav 01-02-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10328259)
I don't Smith think will ever develop a rapport with Bowe. Smith isn't comfortable trusting his receivers to make the play, and Bowe isn't a receiver that frequently gets the degree of open that Smith is looking for.

It has nothing to do with the DEGREE of open. I thought Alex Smith proved that in the Philly Game with Avery. You are on to something though with the trust thing. Alex Smith never hesitated throwing to Vernon.
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10328497)
One could argue Smith doesn't trust Bowe to go make a play as he has a tendency to cut routes short etc and not fight for the ball.

Well, yeah, this is what it is. Ever since the Giants game where Bowe didn't beat his man inside on a route he had to win. Why should he trust Bowe?
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10328519)
Except it's not just a Bowe thing. It's what Smith needs from any receiver. He's needs guys to be very open to pull the trigger. imo

Again. Not true. Alex Smith just needs to trust that you are going to be where you are supposed to be.

He has shown that rapport with Hemmingway, McGrath, Avery, and Fasano.

At some point, we need to hold the players accountable outside of the qb.

You can not tell me honestly that you consider Bowe to be disciplined, and a great route runner.

Those are two traits that are required in a Andy Reid based offense.

Its trust. Bowe and Alex need to work on that together, because both are at fault. But, Bowe has a lot of work to do on himself, before anyone can really point the finger at Alex Smith.

Mav 01-02-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10328550)
Alex Smith requires a different level of "open" than a lot of QBs do. That's not even really debatable. You only have to watch the games to see it.

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Andy Reid hates turnovers. Alex Smith is an ultra conservative qb who doesn't force things when he doesn't have to, but has proven time and time again that when he has needed to, he has made plays.

I have no idea why the fact that he doesn't Aaron Rodgers every throw, and chooses to hit the open man, rather than forcing things is a bad thing.

Marcellus 01-02-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10328550)
Alex Smith requires a different level of "open" than a lot of QBs do. That's not even really debatable. You only have to watch the games to see it.

I think he had a propensity to take the high % completion earlier in the season but I have seen him throw the ball to guys with defenders on or near them.

htismaqe 01-02-2014 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10328564)
That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Andy Reid hates turnovers. Alex Smith is an ultra conservative qb who doesn't force things when he doesn't have to, but has proven time and time again that when he has needed to, he has made plays.

I have no idea why the fact that he doesn't Aaron Rodgers every throw, and chooses to hit the open man, rather than forcing things is a bad thing.

Because when the quality of the opposition goes up, so does the number of 3 and outs because every throw is short of the sticks.

At some point, play not to lose doesn't win anymore.

Mav 01-02-2014 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10328599)
Because when the quality of the opposition goes up, so does the number of 3 and outs because every throw is short of the sticks.

At some point, play not to lose doesn't win anymore.

No arguments here.

I agree.

I believe you are going to see a different chiefs team in 48 hours my friend.

Happy New Year.

GO CHIEFS!

htismaqe 01-02-2014 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10328601)
No arguments here.

I agree.

I believe you are going to see a different chiefs team in 48 hours my friend.

Happy New Year.

GO CHIEFS!

We have to see a different Chiefs team or they'll be headed home for the rest of the playoffs. It's that simple.

MahiMike 01-02-2014 01:30 PM

A big reason we lost last time was Alex was forcing the ball into (an always covered) Bowe. Bowe's a $50M blocker.

MahiMike 01-02-2014 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10328550)
Alex Smith requires a different level of "open" than a lot of QBs do. That's not even really debatable. You only have to watch the games to see it.

He also needs a WR that will actually fight for the ball when he is covered.

htismaqe 01-02-2014 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 10328625)
He also needs a WR that will actually fight for the ball when he is covered.

You're surely not suggesting that Dwayne Bowe can't do that when he's only shown it for 6 season before Alex Smith arrived. :facepalm:

MahiMike 01-02-2014 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10328630)
You're surely not suggesting that Dwayne Bowe can't do that when he's only shown it for 6 season before Alex Smith arrived. :facepalm:

Folks bitch that Alex doesn't force it into Bowe enough. Well he tried that last time we played Indy. Even when other guys were open. I think Andy told him to do that on purpose. We had our worst loss of the season because of that.

Alex doesn't trust him and he shouldn't.

Our WR hopes this weekend lie in Avery and Junior.

Saccopoo 01-02-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10328519)
Except it's not just a Bowe thing. It's what Smith needs from any receiver. He's needs guys to be very open to pull the trigger. imo

No, he's pulled the trigger plenty this year on passes to his wide receivers.

However, I can't remember a season where so many guys have dropped so many passes that were put right into their hands.

It hasn't been just Bowe - Avery, McCluster, Charles, etc., they've all had problems just catching the ball. And that's not surprising as these guys reps have always been questionable hands. Why do you think that Avery isn't on the Colts when they would have loved to have had his speed this season? Hands of stone.

While some say Bowe's problems are correctable, they haven't been. He's been the same guy since college - a jump ball, free lance type of receiver that's used his size and strength in the open field. This offense doesn't work that way. It needs timing and precision and hands. As I stated, it's highlighted Bowe's weaknesses when, in previous Chiefs offenses, he was able to play to his strengths and mask those specific weaknesses in his game.

Basically, it's put up or shut up time. He needs to show that he is capable of making the catches when they count.

Right here, right now is the line drawn in the sand for Dwayne Bowe.


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