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htismaqe 05-08-2014 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10609785)
:shrug:

I dont think he is any worse than Joe Flacco or Eli Manning....and their teams were able to win a superbowl with them.
I don't think he has the mental makeup that those guys do. At all.

Mr. Laz 05-08-2014 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10609702)
I'd prefer not to do business with the 9ers if at all possible. Those guys fisted us on the Alex Smith trade..
I hope it's just the 49ers and not Dorsey.


i imagine the Chiefs would love to move Flowers for a 3rd and would jizz if they could get a 2nd.

boogblaster 05-08-2014 12:10 PM
NO ....

ThaVirus 05-08-2014 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 10609727)
Smith provided a LOT more value this year than Flowers did.



If you think Chiefs got fisted, then why not look at this as getting even?

He's a QB, of course he did. But his value compared to Flowers last season means nothing in this debate.

We have up a 2.1 and another 2nd rounder in "TEH DEEPIST DRAFT THE LAST 20 YEEEZ!!!" for a guy that was probably worth no more than a 3rd at the time.

saphojunkie 05-08-2014 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 10609795)
I dont mind trading Flowers at all.

However it would be criminally stupid to trade Eric Berry unless it's some kind of ridiculous deal like a top 10 pick this year, someone's first next yr and a 2nd or 3rd the following year.

Which that would never happen....so therefore it's stupid as shit to trade Eric Berry.
I don't want to trade Berry, either, but that's just ridiculous. Two firsts and a second?

King_Chief_Fan 05-08-2014 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10609844)
He's a QB, of course he did. But his value compared to Flowers last season means nothing in this debate.

We have up a 2.1 and another 2nd rounder in "TEH DEEPIST DRAFT THE LAST 20 YEEEZ!!!" for a guy that was probably worth no more than a 3rd at the time.
His $ for a QB vs. Flowers $ for a DB.......was money well spent for the QB, not so much for Flowers

ThaVirus 05-08-2014 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 10609947)
His $ for a QB vs. Flowers $ for a DB.......was money well spent for the QB, not so much for Flowers

If the playoff game is any indication, that money was extremely well deserved.

jd1020 05-08-2014 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10608382)
I'll take their 3rd.
It's best to draft a CB round 1, stand firm at your asking price for a #2, and ultimately end up with a 2018 comp pick.

Ebolapox 05-08-2014 12:51 PM
newsflash: chiefs open to shitting down their legs year after year.

The Franchise 05-08-2014 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10609971)
It's best to draft a CB round 1, stand firm at your asking price for a #2, and ultimately end up with a 2018 comp pick.
ROFL

Chiefnj2 05-08-2014 01:04 PM
People put too much stock into PFF's final grade.

Flowers had the toughest assignments of any of KC's corners. Cooper and Smith gave up more TD's. Flowers IIRC got beaten pretty bad by Dez Bryant, but held his own against other top WRs. He held DJax to 3 receptions, Welker to 3 in the 2nd matchup. Not much help over the top, etc.

They will need to restructure his deal for next year, but to act like some 3rd+ round draft pick is going to come in and easily replace him is just a pipe dream.

WhiteWhale 05-08-2014 01:05 PM
Flowers is a bad fit for Sutton's D.

He's not fast enough to cover man on man with no safety help and that seems to be pretty much the coverage Sutton runs more often than not.

Chiefnj2 05-08-2014 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 10610012)
Flowers is a bad fit for Sutton's D.

He's not fast enough to cover man on man with no safety help and that seems to be pretty much the coverage Sutton runs more often than not.
Sutton asked him to shadow some of the most productive receivers last year. Except for Bryant, he did pretty well.

Prison Bitch 05-08-2014 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10604805)
while QBs had a 103.9 rating throwing at him. Flowers has three years left on a six-year, $49.35 million deal and may be difficult to move.
So basically, Flowers turned QBs into Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers last year. Despite playing on a team with one of the easiest schedules in the NFL.


Oh - and he's constantly hurt and makes a lot of money and he's old for a corner. Yeah I'd say every team wants a guy just like that at LCB.

Mr. Laz 05-08-2014 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 10610010)
People put too much stock into PFF's final grade.

Flowers had the toughest assignments of any of KC's corners. Cooper and Smith gave up more TD's. Flowers IIRC got beaten pretty bad by Dez Bryant, but held his own against other top WRs. He held DJax to 3 receptions, Welker to 3 in the 2nd matchup. Not much help over the top, etc.

They will need to restructure his deal for next year, but to act like some 3rd+ round draft pick is going to come in and easily replace him is just a pipe dream.
Smith and Cooper gave up more touchdowns because they were covering deep.

Flowers was playing the slot most of the year


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