The best ever come up big in the biggest moments.

That doesn't describe Peyton Manning.

You are not understanding.

It's not about numbers.

It's about making plays when plays need to be made.

Russell Wilson is an unbelievable QB. Go look at the 1 playoff game where his team was actually trailing. Make that two...

He played about the best 2nd half in the history of the postseason in a loss to Atlanta in his first postseason. Like, incredible. Best half of QB'd football I've ever seen.

and then last year in the NFCCG they would have lost that game if not for his hard count, draw 49ers offsides on 4th and 7, and then throws a very aware deep ball (free play) to Kearse who scores the go ahead score.

if you really want to look at a stat sheet and try to say Russell doesn't do anything for the Seahawks perhaps you could make an argument

it would just be incorrect

I know this because I watch the ****ing games lol

Alex was 19th in total qbr last year in his eleven win season.

who does it describe?

in the NFL right now

who does it describe

I'm dying to know. Anyone?

Read the first post. I cited the study.

Alex is a 3rd tier starting NFL QB. He's a perfect 1 year QB for teams who take 1st round QB's...that's about it.

He's a game manager that doesn't lose games but will never win them, either.

we all know that

what's left to debate?

Alex Smith was actually playing like a true game manager earlier in the year. The Chiefs were hovering around 50% in third down conversions, and he was pretty consistently converting even on third and long. The Raiders game was a big turnaround for Smith. From that time on, the Chiefs were something like 25-30% on 3rd down conversions which is comically bad. That's terrible game management.

Furthermore, in Russell Wilson's short career, he's pretty much matched Smith's total # of game winning drives (13 for Smith, 16 for Wilson). Smith, in particular, whiffed on 4 of his chances this year -- that's 4 out of 7 of the Chiefs' losses.

You said best ever.

But in the NFL right now, I want Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and Wilson to lead my team before Manning.

he's the best ever IMO

I'm not going to comment on guys like Montana and Bradshaw that A) I wasn't old enough to watch and B) they didn't play in a salary cap era

the competition is WAY better in today's salary cap era

the Jets were taking fullbacks in the 1st round back then for crying out loud

the NFL had 5 or 6 good teams that competed for every title; no parity

hard to say someone is the best ever from that era

It's Brady or Manning. Arguments can be made for both (clearly).

Cutler is two spots ahead of Alex in total qbr.

And we all know what a dumpster fire he is.

why Rodgers?

He's laid a ton of eggs in the playoffs. He's 5-4 with 4 wins coming in 1 postseason.

He's already got a built in excuse for this one, too.

When is enough, enough?

He took too many sacks two straight years to Colin Kaepernick and the 49ers. He's out of passes, as well.

No idea why you think more highly of him than Manning. When has Rodgers came up in big moments more so than Peyton?

The greastest ever don't choke, and and shit their pants against the best defenses, defenses that can get after the QB, the way that Manning does.

They are men that stand in the face of pressure and deliver in the biggest moments.

Manning wilts.

A thread about Chase Daniel and Alex Smith turns into a Manning debate.


Sigh.