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DaneMcCloud 12-30-2014 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11229514)
I'd put them both in the same category of QBs good enough to start for franchises that simply dont care.
I wouldn't.

He started for Minnesota but they obviously "care" because they tried to replace him and did as quickly as possible.

Cassel's a nice "stop gap" guy. He's good in the locker room and knows his role. Unfortunately, Scott Pioli mistook that as him being a capable starter and of course, we all know the rest.

But he's not Alex Smith, as if that should be any kind of barometer, anyway.

OnTheWarpath15 12-30-2014 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11229518)
Can you imagine how much shit people would be giving another team (let's use Denver as an example) if their last two quarterbacks were Matt Cassel and Alex Smith.

We still get chuckles out of Tim Teblow and everybody's happy to hammer the last nail in Manning's coffin.

All while we spend years trying to rationalize being okay with Matt Cassel and Alex Smith.

Stockholm syndrome?
Not "we", but your point stands.

Think of all the QB's (10? 12?) this place has tried to minimize over the last half-decade or so, (including SB winners) while propping up slapdicks like Cassel and Smith.

ODESSABRONC 12-30-2014 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11229523)
I wouldn't.

He started for Minnesota but they obviously "care" because they tried to replace him and did as quickly as possible.

Cassel's a nice "stop gap" guy. He's good in the locker room and knows his role. Unfortunately, Scott Pioli mistook that as him being a capable starter and of course, we all know the rest.

But he's not Alex Smith, as if that should be any kind of barometer, anyway.
Smith and Cassel are cut from the same cloth. They're both stop gap quarterbacks at best.

keg in kc 12-30-2014 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11229525)
Not "we", but your point stands.

Think of all the QB's (10? 12?) this place has tried to minimize over the last half-decade or so, (including SB winners) while propping up slapdicks like Cassel and Smith.
I was using the royal "we" indicating all of (groan) Chiefs kingdom...

(I hated both trades, as you'll recall)

rabblerouser 12-30-2014 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11229126)
And Alex probably isn't anywhere near Trent's yards per attempt or per completion.
And Alex's line is nowhere bear as good as Trent's was at that time...

rabblerouser 12-30-2014 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ODESSABRONC (Post 11229526)
Smith and Cassel are cut from the same cloth. They're both stop gap quarterbacks at best.
Matt Cassel doesn't have 1/2 the athletic ability of Alex Smith.

Pablo 12-30-2014 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11229500)
I think what that really shows is just how fallacious the quarterback rating statistic really is, which was why they developed QBR in the first place. His rating was high basically because a bunch of short passes inflated his completion percentage. His QBR is probably a more honest representation of his actual value.
I agree with you. I believe Total QBR to be a much better metric. But you have folks like PB, who will use Passer Rating, and I'm sure Smith fans would rather believe they have the 13th best QB as opposed to the 23rd.

If you split the difference at 18th; I think any and everyone can agree that isn't franchise QB material and he's pretty much stealing paychecks relative to his ranking against his piers.

dls6501 12-30-2014 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11229555)
Matt Cassel doesn't have 1/2 the athletic ability of Alex Smith.
So what? What good is it for QB1 to have twice the athletic ability of QB2 if he is producing at a similar rate?

jd1020 12-30-2014 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 11229557)
I agree with you. I believe Total QBR to be a much better metric. But you have folks like PB, who will use Passer Rating, and I'm sure Smith fans would rather believe they have the 13th best QB as opposed to the 23rd.

If you split the difference at 18th; I think any and everyone can agree that isn't franchise QB material and he's pretty much stealing paychecks relative to his standing against his piers.
I said a long time ago that Alex was 15-20 and then made a list, at the request of 49er trolls, and I believe I ranked him 18.

Even agreeing that he's 18th, you'll still get a bunch of people acting like there's really not much difference between the 8th ranked QB and Alex Smith.

rabblerouser 12-30-2014 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dls6501 (Post 11229560)
So what? What good is it for QB1 to have twice the athletic ability of QB2 if he is producing at a similar rate?
Part of that is Andy Reid's dogshit horizontal passing schemes, but I'd say that Alex Smith is a far more capable QB than Matt Cassel.

The improvement is tangible; it's quantifiable.

keg in kc 12-30-2014 02:17 PM
Going from explosive diarrhea to a runny shit is tangible improvement, too.

rabblerouser 12-30-2014 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11229578)
Going from explosive diarrhea to a runny shit is tangible improvement, too.
I suppose. Then you eat some cheese.

'Cheese' in this situation would be a couple of guards, a tackle, and something resembling an NFL WR corps.

Maybe then Reid would be able to call the odd downfield passing play without It being a wasted down.

duncan_idaho 12-30-2014 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11229506)
Exactly.

QB rating is the most worthless statistic kept in pro football.

According to the NFL, this stat line is a great game:

14/18, 90 yards, 2TD, 0INT.

124.5 rating, in a game where said QB's team lost by 20 points.

The quickest way for me to devalue your football opinions is to use QB rating as an indicator of QB play.
It is the NFL equivalent of batting average.

It can tell you some things, but an "empty" average or QBR is easily achieved.

keg in kc 12-30-2014 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11229581)
I suppose. Then you eat some cheese.

'Cheese' in this situation would be a couple of guards, a tackle, and something resembling an NFL WR corps.
He'd still be Alex Smith, we'd still be wondering why he takes head-scratching sacks, never pushes the ball downfield and blaming everything he doesn't do on everybody around him.

Hootie 12-30-2014 02:22 PM
I think it's pretty ridiculous people aren't allowed to say, "well our Chiefs line wasn't very good this year."

It wasn't. That isn't an excuse for Alex. Good QB's make their lines look better, and Alex certainly didn't help in that cause.

But our line was pure garbage. And anyone who suggests otherwise is a nimrod.


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