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duncan_idaho 06-08-2015 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 11538921)
The opposing defense does...
Missed this earlier...

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11538620)
Honestly, who cares how far the ball travels. If he throws a seven yard pass and the wr or whoever runs for another 20 do I actually care if the ball went 27 yards in the air? I do not. As long as Alex can improve on getting KC more TD's who cares about his worthless yards per completion.

TD's matter, stats do not.
How far the ball travels in the air definitely matters, in that a defense that doesn't respect a team's willingness or ability to work the intermediate and deep parts of the field with any consistency or aggressiveness can instead bunch up underneath and shut down the run while limiting the short passing game.

A 7-yard cross can turn into a BIG play if the safeties are deep respecting other things, and the middle has opened up.

When the defense is EXPECTING the 7-yard cross, it's much, much more likely to stuff it.

L.A. Chieffan 06-08-2015 01:09 PM
The negative impact of a turnover is far greater than the positive impact of a touchdown

Sandy Vagina 06-08-2015 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11538772)
Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have played behind some shitstain offensive lines at times. A Rod has some great weapons but I think a good 75% of their success could reasonably be attributed to his awesomeness alone. Brady's receiving corps when Gronk is out (which is often) is less than stellar.

Russell Wilson at times.

I'm of the opinion that the Broncos offensive lines haven't been very good the past couple seasons. They were missing an All-Pro LT in 2013 and constantly changing up the lineup during 2014. Peyton is just a timing fanatic that makes bad lines look great.
again, looking for QBs that are not regarded as elite.. naming a few elite QBs does not really strength your case or weaken mine here... whether even those elite QBs meet the requirements of the argument of having crap OLs and deep weapons.

As for Wilson, his OL hasn't been particularly good, but it also hasn't been bottom 5 as has Smith's. He also has rare evasiveness, which can allow him to make more broken play bombs.


Name non-elite QBs with trash OLs and deep weapons that have found relatively consistent success.

KCTitus 06-08-2015 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 11538933)
The negative impact of a turnover is far greater than the positive impact of a touchdown
What's the purpose of your offense? "Not to turn the ball over"...Marty Schottenheimer circa 1995.

BossChief 06-08-2015 01:23 PM
Here's how many passes some of the bigger name qbs threw last year that traveled 21+ yards in the air..

Aaron Rodgers 48
Ben Rothlisberger 63
Joe Flacco 55
Tom Brady 48
Peyton Manning 56
Eli manning 46
Drew Brees 52
Andrew Luck 74
Matt Ryan 51
Phillip Rivers 60
Tony Romo 50
Russel Wilson 45

ThaVirus 06-08-2015 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11538949)
again, looking for QBs that are not regarded as elite.. naming a few elite QBs does not really strength your case or weaken mine here... whether even those elite QBs meet the requirements of the argument of having crap OLs and deep weapons.



As for Wilson, his OL hasn't been particularly good, but it also hasn't been bottom 5 as has Smith's. He also has rare evasiveness, which can allow him to make more broken play bombs.





Name non-elite QBs with trash OLs and deep weapons that have found relatively consistent success.

Wilson fits the criteria.

Philip Rivers has played behind some booty offensive lines and, outside of Vincent Jackson, hasn't had a great stable of receivers.

Hammock Parties 06-08-2015 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11538954)
Here's how many passes some of the bigger name qbs threw last year that traveled 21+ yards in the air..

Aaron Rodgers 48
Ben Rothlisberger 63
Joe Flacco 55
Tom Brady 48
Peyton Manning 56
Eli manning 46
Drew Brees 52
Andrew Luck 74
Matt Ryan 51
Phillip Rivers 60
Tony Romo 50
Russel Wilson 45
Like I said...Even if Alex gets to 40 attempts he'd be bottom third.

He's so far behind everyone sle.

ViperVisor 06-08-2015 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11538736)
And this whole "his ol hasn't been this or that" is a bit of a stretch. He doesn't do them any favors holding onto the ball
In 2012 this happened. And like 40% of his sacks came in the 2nd half of 2 games. GB and AZ when the team was up 2 scores. He held the ball and went down because 'no thanks, not a good idea'

2009-2011 avg sack time is not a guy that stood around and then got hit. 2.9 seconds was below the avg.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/und...sack-deviation

ChiliConCarnage 06-08-2015 04:22 PM
They've asked him since season 1 here to let it air. The guy just isn't going to do it consistently. It's like trying to convince Favre he should be more cautious with the ball. At some point, you just say that's who he is.

Sandy Vagina 06-08-2015 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11538999)
Wilson fits the criteria.

Philip Rivers has played behind some booty offensive lines and, outside of Vincent Jackson, hasn't had a great stable of receivers.
Wilson's overall stats are in the same ballpark as Smith's. Similar yardage, TDs, INTs, rating... the comparison on their YIA (yards in air) is 1,390 vs 1,603..

Rivers definitely did have a suck ass OL, and played well last year. Most lately would put Rivers just at the bottom of that elite group// or at the top of the tier two group. He has really stepped up in the last couple of years. Keenan Allen, Floyd, and Gates are not in the bottom tier group of pass weapons though.

Still looking for QBs that have excelled with bottom OLs and pass weapons.

ThaVirus 06-08-2015 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11539272)
Wilson's overall stats are in the same ballpark as Smith's. Similar yardage, TDs, INTs, rating... the comparison on their YIA (yards in air) is 1,390 vs 1,603..

Rivers definitely did have a suck ass OL, and played well last year. Most lately would put Rivers just at the bottom of that elite group// or at the top of the tier two group. He has really stepped up in the last couple of years. Keenan Allen, Floyd, and Gates are not in the bottom tier group of pass weapons though.

Still looking for QBs that have excelled with bottom OLs and pass weapons.
You'll never get an answer that satisfies the criteria in your head...

Allen and Floyd are not great receiving weapons. They've got potential, but how much of their production can you attribute to Philip Rivers being a baller? A shoddy offensive line, a nonexistent running game and a couple average-at-best perimeter weapons.

Andrew Luck has played with some horrible surrounding talent. At times his offensive line has been bad, their running game is atrocious, and he's basically had a 54 year old Reggie Wayne and an ascending TY Hilton on the perimeter.

ThaVirus 06-08-2015 05:22 PM
In a 10 year career, Alex Smith has thrown 42 completions of 40+ yards.

In 3 years, Russell Wilson has 29.

OnTheWarpath15 06-08-2015 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11539313)
In a 10 year career, Alex Smith has thrown 42 completions of 40+ yards.

In 3 years, Russell Wilson has 29.
Russell Wilson also has (without looking) 5-8 playoff wins in those three years and a Lombardi Trophy.

But hey, his regular season stats (as a third year player) are similar to Alex's, so in the feeble minds of morons, they are comparable.

I'd also be willing to bet Wilson has as many, or nearly as many come from behind victories as Alex in 1/3 the time.

I have some argument with Hootie over him, but I have to admit the kid is clutch. Something Alex is not.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-08-2015 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11539326)
Russell Wilson also has (without looking) 5-8 playoff wins in those three years and a Lombardi Trophy.

But hey, his regular season stats (as a third year player) are similar to Alex's, so in the feeble minds of morons, they are comparable.

I'd also be willing to bet Wilson has as many, or nearly as many come from behind victories as Alex in 1/3 the time.

I have some argument with Hootie over him, but I have to admit the kid is clutch. Something Alex is not.
He is the premier game manager of our day.

ThaVirus 06-08-2015 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11539329)
He is the premier game manager of our day.
Whatever. I'm not even going to get into this argument.

Wilson slings the rock around the yard. If you want to call him a game manager then that's fine. Just recognize that he's DAMN good.


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