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Sandy Vagina 11-06-2016 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12530939)
FYP
It's interesting to me when people do this. It is essentially an admission that you don't have anything of substance to counter my post.. so you hope that insults and glibness can deflect away from this.

This must be where I am supposed to say "tapout accepted", I suppose. :rolleyes:

stumppy 11-06-2016 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12530938)
KC TD% in Redzone with Reid.

2013:5th 60%
2014:9th 58%
2015:12th 57%
2016: 20th 50%

As the talent has gone up, the success rate has gone done. Ironically, KC's best redzone year was with Bowe. This will be one of the major factors in deciding how we do in the playoffs IMHO. Can't walk away with FG's. And I am probably ripping on Reid here a lot more than I am Smith. Actually, I definitely am.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...ate=2016-11-06
Yea, the sideways pass plays just don't cut it.

Coogs 11-06-2016 09:03 AM
Here is where I am at.

I am not a huge Smith fan at all, but he has earned the right to be the starter. That being said, there were some stats posted a few weeks ago that stated Smith was something like 24-3 in games where his QB rating was over 52 (on the 0-100 scale) and 0-12 when he is under 52.

If Foles backs up last weeks performance with a solid showing today, I think Foles needs to be a go to option if Smith is struggling during any given game. Bills used to do it years ago with Frank Reich. No reason Chiefs couldn't do it too.

NJChiefsFan 11-06-2016 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12530932)
.. and just to be clear, let it be noted that I have not dumped on Foles at all thus far.

I contend that the early years of Smith's career are loaded with valid reasons/contributions ("excuses") for his poor development and play.. in those first handful of years.

I am open to contending the same for Foles' early years of ugly results. I have to phrase it this way, because I have not watched enough of Foles' years as a pro to really commit to any conclusions of him.

That seems consistent and fair.


Now, on to the hypocrisy that HAS been or likely WILL be exposed :

Others have dismissed the valid reasons/contributions for Smith.. repeatedly.

Soon, we can really see if they do the same for Foles... or if they suddenly change these set rules for the QB because his name is not Smith.

That would then be inconsistent, unfair, and hypocritical.

http://www.shooter-szene.de/content/...47-450x239.jpg
It's not a mystery. Happened in the 90s with Grbac and Gannon, although I was too young to chronicle. Happened early on with Green. Hell, happened with Huard. It will always happen. For a Chiefs fan, this isn't a mystery and needs no solving. Foles will get a lot of leeway early, but it will change over time to exactly what Smith gets. Exactly what the rest got. Hard to blame some for losing perspective, having been Chiefs fans for their entire life.

Rausch 11-06-2016 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12530945)
It's not a mystery. Happened in the 90s with Grbac and Gannon, although I was too young to chronicle. Happened early on with Green. Hell, happened with Huard. It will always happen. For a Chiefs fan, this isn't a mystery and needs no solving. Foles will get a lot of leeway early, but it will change over time to exactly what Smith gets. Exactly what the rest got. Hard to blame some for losing perspective, having been Chiefs fans for the entire life.
Boom!

Nailed it...













TEH 0DD T0DD FOREVER!:cuss:

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-06-2016 09:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12530938)
KC TD% in Redzone with Reid.

2013:5th 60%
2014:9th 58%
2015:12th 57%
2016: 20th 50%

As the talent has gone up, the success rate has gone done. Ironically, KC's best redzone year was with Bowe. This will be one of the major factors in deciding how we do in the playoffs IMHO. Can't walk away with FG's. And I am probably ripping on Reid here a lot more than I am Smith. Actually, I definitely am.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...ate=2016-11-06
I think if we can improve back to being in the top third we should be fine. The numbers are probably a little off this year with our strength of schedule for us being front loaded in terms of difficulty. Of our next 9 games only 3 I would say (vs Denver,@ Denver, San Diego) concern me.

NJChiefsFan 11-06-2016 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12530940)
It's interesting to me when people do this. It is essentially an admission that you don't have anything of substance to counter my post.. so you hope that insults and glibness can deflect away from this.

This must be where I am supposed to say "tapout accepted", I suppose. :rolleyes:
This is where you lose me sometimes. Every time I find myself being ok with you, you take yourself so seriously in posts like this. Stupid comments happen on this forum. You don't have to always give clever responses like this every single time pointing out the obvious. Everyone knows what FYP are meant for. Great, you can articulate why they are silly. You can be effectively passive-aggressive. You wonder why people accuse you of riding a high horse all the time.

rico 11-06-2016 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Cheeks (Post 12530940)
It's interesting to me when people do this. It is essentially an admission that you don't have anything of substance to counter my post.. so you hope that insults and glibness can deflect away from this.

This must be where I am supposed to say "tapout accepted", I suppose. :rolleyes:
LMAO

Good gracious, dude.... people generally do this to goof around on the person they quoted... that's what I was doing...

What the hell is up with you always assuming and/or requesting that someone "tap out" to you? You sadomasochistic bear, you.

Chief Roundup 11-06-2016 09:20 AM
This thread is like a semen filled eclair.

NJChiefsFan 11-06-2016 09:21 AM
There just doesn't need to be such a desire to win discussions. Sandy never responded to my #105 post or answered the questions I posed. Probably due to lack of interest, being busy, or missing it. It happens. Doesn't need to be such a desire to always judge or decide that somebody KO'd someone else.

OnTheWarpath15 11-06-2016 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12530963)
LMAO

Good gracious, dude.... people generally do this to goof around on the person they quoted... that's what I was doing...

What the hell is up with you always assuming and/or requesting that someone "tap out" to you? You sadomasochistic bear, you.
LMAO

Nice name change.

NJChiefsFan 11-06-2016 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12530975)
This thread is like a semen filled eclair.
LMAO Proud to have played my part.

rico 11-06-2016 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12530977)
There just doesn't need to be such a desire to win discussions. Sandy never responded to my #105 post or answered the questions I posed. Probably do to lack of interest, being busy, or missing it.
I did the same.... I asked him like 10 questions in one post in an attempt to shine light on why some Chiefs fans are the way they are... He answered zero of them...none of them were about Alex.

rico 11-06-2016 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12530990)
It happens. My point was that it doesn't mean that I made a great or winning argument. People don't respond for a lot of reasons. Sandy has a tendency to want to quantify when and why people don't respond or why they send out insults. We don't need to be keeping score.
I agree.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-06-2016 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12530924)
Remove Foles' 27 TD season because that was all a gimmick that Chip Kelly had going on with no defense having figured out until the next season. Just like the year Roman and Harbaugh unleashed Kaepernick, nobody had film to breakdown.

Foles is a flash in the pan. Smith actually has the second half of his career of proven, stable, quarterback play. He's a winner, don't fix what isn't broken.
When Foles had that spectacular year he had a solid O line. When Kelley shipped out players and destroyed the line then foles went to shit. Foles has a touch on his pass like Joe Montana. smith fires a harder to catch ball.


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