I think so, too. Well, I would call it "hope".


He has the tools, and after 2 years of being absent I "hope" he goes nuts on the opponents.

I didn't say impossible, I said the odds were long and they are. Realistically you have 3 years (28-30) to create 4.5 years worth of production. On a guy with a rebuilt knee that doesn't seem to be responding as well as most would like.

He could be very good - he COULD play to the level of an individual season remaining on his deal. He could also easily be Mario Williams and hit a wall at age 30. He could do both of those things.

But one thing he won't do is make up for the season and a half he's missed or the 2 playoff runs where he's been completely ineffective, absent the kind of impact Von Miller made against Carolina.

And again - those odds are pretty long.

It sucks, but of course it's a


Because chiefs

Where are you getting that 15 mil. Number?

Another approach to take regarding the merits of signing Berry, Poe, etc to large contracts is to first decide who, on our current defensive roster, are the "building blocks" of the future and ensuring that we have the cap room available to keep these players. Who are the disrupters? Who do offensive coordinators have to scheme around? Who are the impact players? I'd offer that these include:

Houston
Jones
Peters
Berry

I just don't see Poe as a key piece. He's a nice player, but certainly doesn't stand out as a disruptor of all things offensive. Whereas the four guys noted above certainly appear to make a difference when they're on the field. With that, I'd lean towards signing Berry and letting Poe walk.....of course, you can't go "blank check" on any of these guys. That said, these are the key guys I'd make every effort to lock up contractwise.

This is one of the best draft classes for pass rushers in recent years. Would be really nice to grab one as insurance.

If you could do this instead of signing Berry and Poe, would you be on board?

Zach Brown - ILB - 4 years, 28 million, 15 million guaranteed (in line with Danny Trevathan/Brandon Marshall contracts last season). Estimated year 1 cap hit of 6 million.
Barry Church - SS - 3 years, 16 million, 6 million guaranteed (in line with Kurt Coleman contract). Estimated year 1 cap hit of 3.7 million.
Abry Jones - DT - 3 years, 10 million, 4 million guaranteed (Al Woods/Steve McClendon type contract). Estimated year 1 cap hit of 2.5 million.
Kevin Zeitler - RG - 5 years, 42 million, 18 million guaranteed (Brandon Brooks type contract). Estimated year 1 cap hit of 6 million.


Total estimated year 1 cap hit of 18.2 million.

What you get:

Brown is a physical presence in the box that sets the tone defensively and is rangy enough to stick with TEs and RBs in space.

Church is a physical, downhill box type safety which was Berry's primary role up until this season.

Jones is a tough run defender and clogs gaps, young and is coming into his own. Reminds me of Jaye Howard.

Zeitler is one of the best guards in the NFL.

You've effectively freed up your draft resources to do whatever the hell you desire. Draft BPA. Obviously would have to get a safety to take over for Church sooner than later, but you're looking at a guy the same age as Berry anyhow.

Just contemplating that letting both walk could be just as good of a call as keeping them.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8387/tyrann-mathieu

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8/2/2016: Signed a five-year, $62.5 million contract. The deal contains $35 million guaranteed,including a $15.5 million signing bonus. Mathieu is elgible for an annual $250,000 workout bonus throughout the contract's life. 2017: $4.75 million, 2018: $5.75 million (+ $5 million roster bonus), 2019-2020: $10.75 million, 2021: $9.25 million, 2022: Free Agent

Wouldn't do it if it meant losing Berry. Those guys are nice players, but there's no telling how they would transition in KC.

In the NFL, strong leadership is so very important. Berry is our leader. He's the guy that everyone else looks to for motivation. He helps keep some of our players with crazier personalities in line (Peters specifically).

Continuity is a valuable thing in this league, and keeping Berry will be better for the locker room than letting guys like him and Poe leave only to bring in 4 new guys who have gave nothing to our orginazation.

Barry peaked this last season and IF we give him big $$ we will not get that playing value in return. More and more GMs are going the way of Bellichek and not paying the big superstar players up for a big pay day. Just let them go because you never get the play in return. Only one position gets that $$ and even TB takes pay cuts to get the right 53 on the squad.

Poe is done and we got the best years out of him IMHO. He will go the way of that NT from Tennessee that signed with Wash when Shanny was there and then pretty much disappeared on the field. Granted he didn't like the 3/4 d but still... this is what we are afraid of happening IF Poe gets the big $$.

Wildly inconsistent reports on this contract.

But the 2 places that I look to both report 21.25 initially, fully guaranteed with other guarantee provisions in the contract. Notably, 2018 triggers another 13.75 million in guaranteed salaries (18/2019) and 5 million guaranteed roster bonus. Total potential guarantees of 40 million if technical.

franchise tag he won't sign is 13 million
Tyrann Mathieu got 12.5m

salary cap is jumping up
all salary number will jump up
Top Cornerback are making 15 million
Berry is pissed at the Chiefs for the contract stuff last year

Berry will look for more than Chiefs refused to pay him last year and to be the highest paid secondary player in the league.

imo Berry will be asking for 15-ish million and the Chiefs will fold and give it to him.

The only way Berry sees $15M+ is if he hits the open market and a team like Cleveland or SF with loads of cap room decide to get stupid.

The amount that the franchise tag equals has nothing to do with Berry saying he won't play under it. He just wants the security of along term deal, which he is an injury away from losing under the tag.

Ok so you made it up...