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jdubya 06-01-2021 10:26 PM

Do not the majority of competitors in any sport wish to go undefeated or is PM the first?

;)

New World Order 06-01-2021 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15693554)
I will take 3-4 titles over one season of undefeated.

That's just me.

Gimmie those titles!!!

I never thought as a fan I would experience an era of football like we are now. We're on the verge of a dynasty. It's absolutely incredible.

RaidersOftheCellar 06-01-2021 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15692631)
Super Bowl wins > everything else

I think that's obvious to everyone except kansas basketball fans who want to think rare regular season achievements are more impressive than winning the title.

But I don't see anything wrong with a competitor wanting to finish a season undefeated/perfect.

I think we're going to see locked-in, ruthless Patrick Mahomes II. And that's good for the Chiefs and bad for the rest of the league.

If you mean that KU fans think it’s more impressive to win 14 straight conference titles than 1 national title....yeah, I’d say it is. Without a doubt.

RaidersOftheCellar 06-01-2021 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 15693330)
If going 20-0 there would be little argument to who the actual GOAT is considering it wouldn't need an *

That must be what this is about. He knows that he needs to pull off something insane to get “back” into the GOAT conversation (as silly as that is). Doing something that no one has ever done and that Brady failed to do would definitely do the trick.

lcarus 06-01-2021 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15693750)
That must be what this is about. He knows that he needs to pull off something insane to get “back” into the GOAT conversation (as silly as that is). Doing something that no one has ever done and that Brady failed to do would definitely do the trick.

I have high hopes he can eventually throw 8 (or more) TDs in a game. That's a record that's ripe to be broken. He can definitely do it. It'll take a barnburner of a game but it'll come.

wazu 06-01-2021 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15693750)
That must be what this is about. He knows that he needs to pull off something insane to get “back” into the GOAT conversation (as silly as that is). Doing something that no one has ever done and that Brady failed to do would definitely do the trick.

Or maybe he just called this out because it is the ultimate "team" goal and that's what he's really all about.

Rasputin 06-02-2021 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 15693752)
I have high hopes he can eventually throw 8 (or more) TDs in a game. That's a record that's ripe to be broken. He can definitely do it. It'll take a barnburner of a game but it'll come.

I think it have to be in a shootout where as they'd have to keep him in the game and not get pulled just like Derrick Thomas had 6 sacks against the Raiders in the 3rd quarter but unforgivably they sat him on the bench he deserved to get the record or beat his own record I should say.


**** yeah i've said Patricks first season he could throw for 8 tds in a game I'm expecting it and now I think he can do it more than once in a season and a few times in his career. It could also be done against a very good defense like when we rushed 8 TDs against the number 1 ranked rushing defense the Atlanta Falcons.

The sky is the limit with this team with Patrick Mahomes II at quarterback and I don't think 20-0 is too much of a lofty goal to have and it certainly would motivate Patrick but as long as they stay focused on the games in front of them like the Browns first game that is the most important win at this point in the season.

Rasputin 06-02-2021 02:09 AM

I bet Patrick Mahomes II could bowl a perfect game if he wanted too.

Mile High Mania 06-02-2021 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 15693798)
I bet Patrick Mahomes II could bowl a perfect game if he wanted too.

He is the NFL’s Chuck Norris.

PAChiefsGuy 06-02-2021 04:41 AM

Good to set high expectations but this team is not a 20-0 team. No way. That's extremely hard to do if not almost impossible.

That doesn't mean this team can't win the SB but D is not solid enough for 20-0 and our offense really needs to get back on track after that embarrassing SB performance. Plus injuries you never know who will get hurt

duncan_idaho 06-02-2021 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15693740)
If you mean that KU fans think it’s more impressive to win 14 straight conference titles than 1 national title....yeah, I’d say it is. Without a doubt.


Only in the minds of ku fans and maybe Atlanta Braves fans.

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15693809)
Good to set high expectations but this team is not a 20-0 team. No way. That's extremely hard to do if not almost impossible.



That doesn't mean this team can't win the SB but D is not solid enough for 20-0 and our offense really needs to get back on track after that embarrassing SB performance. Plus injuries you never know who will get hurt


There are many ways.

The Chiefs are arguably improved on both offense and defense from a squad that went 14-1 without really breaking a sweat, the lone loss coming in a fluke game, and then cruised on the AFC side of the playoff bracket before being favored in the Super Bowl.

Rainbarrel 06-02-2021 06:41 AM

19-0-1 compromise

BWillie 06-02-2021 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15693740)
If you mean that KU fans think it’s more impressive to win 14 straight conference titles than 1 national title....yeah, I’d say it is. Without a doubt.

I agree, it is. It absolutely is. One is an achievement that may never be broken in Power 5 conference basketball. On the flip side, it's just a team winning a single elimination tournament.

Bearcat 06-02-2021 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15693823)
Only in the minds of ku fans and maybe Atlanta Braves fans.

I'd personally rather enjoy the ride than solely the one game at the end of the year, because the latter makes for a pretty miserable sports fan existence... but, it's also pretty easy to see the differences between only caring about playoff/SB success versus NCAA championships.

One is a bunch of dumb college kids who have to win 6 straight in a tournament where only a handful of teams have won multiple titles over the course of 30-40+ years, against teams that are routinely capable of big upsets...... and one is a professional sport where the regular season is largely pointless, and once you hit the QB lottery, you're automatically put in a class of a few teams that may only need to win 3 postseason games per year, largely against teams that you have a distinct advantage over.

I personally don't solely care about SB victories, but the regular season is absolutely pointless at this point for the Chiefs, so I couldn't care less about beating up on shitty teams all year and going undefeated in the regular season.... just fast forward to mid-late January so we can watch the best versus the best in games that actually matter.

duncan_idaho 06-02-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15694076)
I agree, it is. It absolutely is. One is an achievement that may never be broken in Power 5 conference basketball. On the flip side, it's just a team winning a single elimination tournament.

Yeah, try selling that to non-kansas fans and see how it goes. Oh, sure, we only won one title during this stretch, but we won our division all these years in a row. Do baseball fans care that the Atlanta Braves won the AL East 11 straight times? Do NFL fans care that the Patriots won the AFC East 11 straight times?

Or do they talk about the Braves choking and only winning one title in all those years, and talk about how awesome the Patriots are for winning 3 SB in that timeframe? (And also point out things like the extreme homefield advantage Patriots/Brady received, or the expanded strike zone Braves starters got... similar to the extreme home court whistle at Allen Fieldhouse).

Which baseball team is perceived as having more success in the first 20 years of the 21st century - the Braves or the Giants? The Giants had a 5-year run where they won 3x. Meanwhile, the Braves won their division 10 times in that span and have zero World Series wins.

And then there's the "Shared title" component of the achievement...

What are those four asterisks?

Oh, well, four of the titles are shared.

But you were the 1 seed in the conference tournament those years, right (Indicating if there was a tie breaker, you would have won the league regular season title)?

Actually, we were the 2 seed 3 of those 4 times.
... ... Okay... Cool story, bro.

14 division/conference titles in a row is impressive, sure. But it's a "trivia" level accomplishment that is less important/memorable than winning the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15694106)
I'd personally rather enjoy the ride than solely the one game at the end of the year, because the latter makes for a pretty miserable sports fan existence... but, it's also pretty easy to see the differences between only caring about playoff/SB success versus NCAA championships.

One is a bunch of dumb college kids who have to win 6 straight in a tournament where only a handful of teams have won multiple titles over the course of 30-40+ years, against teams that are routinely capable of big upsets...... and one is a professional sport where the regular season is largely pointless, and once you hit the QB lottery, you're automatically put in a class of a few teams that may only need to win 3 postseason games per year, largely against teams that you have a distinct advantage over.

I personally don't solely care about SB victories, but the regular season is absolutely pointless at this point for the Chiefs, so I couldn't care less about beating up on shitty teams all year and going undefeated in the regular season.... just fast forward to mid-late January so we can watch the best versus the best in games that actually matter.

One could say exactly the same about college basketball. That the regular season is meaningless, that the team that is going to win in all likelihood is going to be a blue blood university with an elite all time coach. You'll have quirky outliers, but the sport is dominated by special "haves" classes who define the quality of their season on how they do once the Sweet 16 round kicks in.

I'm not a Super Bowl or bust guy or anything. But they trump any sort of regular season accomplishment for an NFL team and especially the Chiefs.

The only way the Chiefs going undefeated is significant is IF they complete the perfect season in the playoffs. THEN it becomes a monumental achievement.


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