He beat Mahomes in Arrowhead!!!!!


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Yeah, from a pure QB standpoint I'm taking Herbert. No knock on Kyler though.

I just take the QB that is scarier to stop.

We have never had a hyper-mobile QB that could pass like Murray.

If it wasn't for Mahomes, Murray would be the closest to a generational talent in the last 5 drafts.

It was never Trevor.

I’d rather get shafted on a shitty pizza from Pizza Hut than read yet another useless Deberg thread.

Again, just my preference. If you're offering a 5-8 guy who relies on his legs and a 6-6 guy with an accurate cannon - I'm taking the latter every time.

Tall is overrated.

It's why people fell for Trevor as generational when he wasn't.


Murray has the biggest stack of plus traits outside Mahomes.

4.3 speed with catlike agility trumps being tall.



I'm also glad Mahomes wasn't 6'4'', or just under it. I think the Rodgers, Favre, Mahomes get better control than a longer-limbed guy for the special off-platform throws.

Murray also has nice off-platform..although he obviously isn't Patrick who is the best we have ever seen off-schedule.

It's not just height, but frame. It's yet to be seen if Kyler can make it thru a year witout breaking down.

He won Rookie of the Year in his rookie year without breaking down.

Every QB takes hits. Murray is excellent at avoiding big hits.

Even last year with the injury, Murray played through it. Tough kid. Before that injury he was the #1 QB in FF, prior to the injury in week 10, with KK doing dumb crap.

Mhrm.

I'd take Herbert. And that's not a knock on Murray. He's going to be this year's league MVP most likely.

But Murray's height does limit his vision when working inside a pocket. It's part of why he rolls out as much as he does, or drifts further back in the pocket more than most. To create angles for a more clear line of sight.

It's an issue Herbert doesn't have to deal with.

And then, yeah, there's the injury concern thing too.

The media has been desperate to make the Chargers a thing for years, even before they moved to LA.

Herbert looks pretty good, but I'll believe this team isn't a ****in fraud when they actually win something.

Yep we all remember how "on fire" this Bills team was the last 2 times we faced them. Look what happened. A beating of epic proportions. We just have their number. I do expect this year they'll have a much better chance than they've ever had. Thanks to our efense.

Nope.

So did Jacoby Brissett...it means nothing.

I'll believe they're not frauds when they suck my dick!!!!!!!

If they were to suck MY dick it would certainly go a long way in convincing me they're not frauds!!!!