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Wisconsin_Chief 12-17-2021 07:38 PM

Honestly think he could be a defensive minded version of Adam Gase. He seems detached and aloof. He’s lucky he has Joe Lombardi working with Herbert or he wouldn’t know what to do with him.

He doesn’t worry me.

T-post Tom 12-17-2021 07:43 PM

My assessment is that he should die in an aids fire. He’s a mother****ing dolt.

jjchieffan 12-17-2021 10:12 PM

I came across an interesting nugget concerning the failed fourth down attempts

Via ESPN Stats and Information, and the Elias Sports Bureau, the Chargers are the first team to fail twice on fourth-and-goal tries in the first half of a game since the Chargers themselves did the exact same thing against the exact same opponent, the Chiefs, on the exact same day, Dec. 16, in 1984.

Halfcan 12-17-2021 10:17 PM

He looks like he is 16 years old. Andy schooled him.

suzzer99 12-17-2021 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 16018826)
I came across an interesting nugget concerning the failed fourth down attempts

Via ESPN Stats and Information, and the Elias Sports Bureau, the Chargers are the first team to fail twice on fourth-and-goal tries in the first half of a game since the Chargers themselves did the exact same thing against the exact same opponent, the Chiefs, on the exact same day, Dec. 16, in 1984.

They were way behind early in that game.

Sorce 12-17-2021 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16018503)
What?

The dolts were 2-5 on fourth downs.

3 pure fails. All easy fgs. 9 points left out there.

Yes but to say let's keep the two touchdowns but give them credit for the field goals isn't fair. My point is 5 FGs are 15 points, I took away the two touchdowns they got as a result of the 4ths which is 14 points.

4th and Long 12-17-2021 11:17 PM

I am completely fine with Brandon Staley's decision making processes. May he continue to make these same decisions for the Chargers for many years to come.

Megatron96 12-17-2021 11:25 PM

Staley made a mistake that a young coach in 2021 is almost bound to make: he relied too much on analytics because he didn't have enough experience to lean on.

He's going to be a very good coach in a few years once he's had some tempering. But recognize that we're looking at a defensive-minded HC that is maybe the most aggressive HC in the NFL right now. That's not normal, at all. He made a mistake last night. I'll bet he learns a lot from it.

Bearcat 12-24-2021 08:12 AM

We covered this pretty well, but Brett Kollmann's take on the analytics behind the 4th down decisions.

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mililo4cpa 12-24-2021 08:19 AM

my impression is that, seeing the Chargers are going to finish in second place behind the Chiefs again, he's no different than any of the other Chargers coaches!

Chris Meck 12-24-2021 08:25 AM

It's a brutal, physical, exhausting game. Analytics don't factor in the emotion and mental focus aspects of football that are plain to observe in real time. A good coach knows where his guys are at in the flow of the game and has learned to manage the lows, steady the ship, and keep his guys focused.

All those 4th down tries absolutely deflated his team's momentum. It had to be depressing for his defense, they had to operate with zero room for error all game long... It created a desperation in his offense. It was not good people management.

These are things you can't learn from just looking at statistics on a piece of paper or computer screen.

It's not just about 15 points vs. 14 points. It's about the flow of the game and how everything affects everything else and managing emotion and focus of 53 guys giving max effort for 3 hours straight.

jjchieffan 12-24-2021 08:45 AM

We should cheer him on. Let's go Brandon!

Danguardace 12-24-2021 08:54 AM

His face is extremely punchable!

RedinTexas 12-24-2021 09:04 AM

The whole thing about how the "analytics" said to go for it on fourth down bothered me. It reminded me of when the NFL adopted the two-point conversion. Coaches had cheat sheets to tell them when they should and shouldn't go for 2. What the sheets didn't do was take into account static analysis vs a dynamic analysis. Game conditions like how much time remains and how quickly teams are scoring should be big factors in such analysis, but they weren't taken into account in those "cheat sheets," so coaches often made mistakes because they didn't take into account the actual conditions of the game. Coaches relying on their "analytics" are making very similar mistakes just like Staley did.

DaFace 12-24-2021 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 16031480)
The whole thing about how the "analytics" said to go for it on fourth down bothered me. It reminded me of when the NFL adopted the two-point conversion. Coaches had cheat sheets to tell them when they should and shouldn't go for 2. What the sheets didn't do was take into account static analysis vs a dynamic analysis. Game conditions like how much time remains and how quickly teams are scoring should be big factors in such analysis, but they weren't taken into account in those "cheat sheets," so coaches often made mistakes because they didn't take into account the actual conditions of the game. Coaches relying on their "analytics" are making very similar mistakes just like Staley did.

The models absolutely take into account game situations.


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