This is the dumbest thread in history. And I loved Marty. But there'd no comparison between Marty and Reid. Marty got so tight in playoff games you could actually hear his sphincter pucker up through the TV. Without Joe ****ing Montana to literally push him over the cliff, Marty never goes for it on that play that ultimately wins the game.

Holy shit this is a stupid thread.

The current dynamics? No, it's simple mathematics. The only way KC doesn't get the ball back with 50 seconds left is if the Bengals get a 1st and goal from the 1 after the 2-minute warning when playing from the 11. A team is going to try to operate for the TD there 10/10 times and has nearly the same scoring probability as if they were operating from the 10. The likelihood that they get a 1st and goal from the 1 is relatively low because of the situation and yards to goal.

Here's an article that literally talks about it from a similar perspective with better data than I want to regurgitate:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...downs-red-zone

Granted, if the Bengals did get a 1st and goal relatively quickly after the 2-minute warning, then there is a ton of credence to letting them score so you at least have time to try and tie because you'll otherwise lose anyhow. That simply wasn't the case at any point the way things went down, and they couldn't have went any better for Reid's decision sans the back-to-back penalties that completely ****ed the Chiefs.

Reid is guilty of showing his hand too soon. I wonder if playing his good play calling would be better in the second half…….

I do not think that he is a bad chess player, I just think that he is too nice. He needs to stop letting his foot off the gas when we are ahead. Who cares if you run up the score.

Not going to delve into the merits of the OP itself, but I am curious about this dynamic where people criticize a specific aspect of someone's skillset and people immediately go to the narrative that it's a criticism of their entire existence.

People have criticized Reid in various specific ways over the years, he doesn't pound the rock, he has trouble with time management, he flubs challenges, . . . here it's about the strategy of a highly specific situation.

If people had posted that Reid is not very good at sculpted abs, or cum-gutter hips, would you immediately jump to 'he's a HoF coach, I think he's the most fit, healthy and muscularly toned person in history? Why don't you root for a team with a meathead gym rat like Sean McVay, loser?!?!'

This goes a lot wider than the issue of Reid, it's a debating dynamic I've seen on the rise in a number of venues, and am curious if anyone else has defense or criticism, or championing or denial, or whatever, of it.

Welp, that’s about it for this one

Baby Lee spends all of his days trying to find different ways to make the same exact post over and over. That he has problems with the tone or style of a post.

It is actually amazing how much time he spends labring under the weight of not liking "how" people post on Chiefs Planet.

Andy does what Andy does

It was difficult to foresee the Bengals being able to waste the entire clock in that situation. I think he played it right. They screwed themselves but got bailed out big time. Similar to when we played the Chargers the first time.

Another thing. If they had scored the TD and we matched it, I probably would've been fine with going for 2 over OT.

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Take some of those instances this year when people thought Andy was being too conservative with Mahomes and "not letting Mahomes be Mahomes" and multiply that for the entire duration of Mahomes' career.

That would be Marty with Mahomes.

"Tyreke"? :facepalm:

Or if the Chiefs get called for a defensive penalty... which is exactly what happened and was not exactly a surprising outcome given how tightly the refs were calling defensive penalties.

That needed to be part of the decision making calculus.

Also according to analytics, if the Bengals had scored a TD when it was first and goal after the two minute warning, their win probability would have dropped slightly.

Analytics show that the odds of the Chiefs winning were close to the same either way. Maybe Andy knows a little more than you think he does. Which is why he is a future Hall of Fame coach and you aren't.

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