Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16705784)

But #23 per attempt and #19 in completed air yards per attempt. We are also #2 in YAC.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16705784)

But #23 per attempt and #19 in completed air yards per attempt. We are also #2 in YAC.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16705784)

But #23 per attempt and #19 in completed air yards per attempt. We are also #2 in YAC.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16705845)

He hasn't played as well this year despite the #'s.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16705832)

I really think there's a lot of irrational 'want' going on here.

We remember 'WASP', and we see Burrow throwing to Chase/Higgins/Boyd and we think-

MAN, I WANT THAT!

But reality is, 'WASP' is a pipedream with Brown and Wylie at OT, and The Bengals have all of those guys on rookie contracts still.

We're just in a different place now. You like Mahomes? Me too. But we're paying him now, and we have dogshit at RT, a mediocre LT that wants record setting money, and one good rookie DE and nothing else there. Things aren't changing other than continued growth this season.

and in '23, we have zero starting OT's, one starting level DE, no starting WR's under contract-33 guys under contract total, and somewhere around $45-50m to deal with it all.

We're not going to blow it all on a free agent WR-and there aren't any great ones in their prime available anyway.

We're going to have to grow our own, unless it's Toney-which if he can get his hammy issues under control I'd feel real good about, honestly.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16705810)

These are things that tell a story, but not the one you think.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16705784)

But #23 per attempt and #19 in completed air yards per attempt. We are also #2 in YAC.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16705583)

So you're really arguing 'air yards'?

I personally don't think a shorter pass that a receiver breaks a long run counts any less than a pass that travels 40 yards in the air.

We don't have ****ing time to run WASP.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16705832)

I really think there's a lot of irrational 'want' going on here.

We remember 'WASP', and we see Burrow throwing to Chase/Higgins/Boyd and we think-

MAN, I WANT THAT!

But reality is, 'WASP' is a pipedream with Brown and Wylie at OT, and The Bengals have all of those guys on rookie contracts still.

We're just in a different place now. You like Mahomes? Me too. But we're paying him now, and we have dogshit at RT, a mediocre LT that wants record setting money, and one good rookie DE and nothing else there. Things aren't changing other than continued growth this season.

and in '23, we have zero starting OT's, one starting level DE, no starting WR's under contract-33 guys under contract total, and somewhere around $45-50m to deal with it all.

We're not going to blow it all on a free agent WR-and there aren't any great ones in their prime available anyway.

We're going to have to grow our own, unless it's Toney-which if he can get his hammy issues under control I'd feel real good about, honestly.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16705411)

I’m tired of this narrative that we are so explosive on offense that we should be remotely content. Andy Reid is a magician making it really work with what we have. But we have clear limits. And they are limits on talent, not on sloppiness. Anyone not looking at stats on paper can see that our offense hasn’t been nearly as explosive as you continue to suggest. Two bad second halves against denver. Terrible game vs Seattle. Struggled against the rams. And despite what the numbers say, we had a really hard time moving the ball vs the chargers and titans. I get why we want to be more efficient but we have some glaring issues with the passing game.

And the narrative that we weren’t explosive last year is also overused and exaggerated. We were dominant the second half of last year including back to back 40+ point playoff wins. We had one bad second half against cincy.

You’re not gonna clean up Mvs. He just isn’t it. For crying out loud we run Watson on 75% of snaps simply for running the right routes. Thats a talent issue. Defenses can essentially wipe out two of our WRs without paying a lick of attention to them. Juju is solid but we all know he’s a possession guy. Again I applaud our move to efficiency and I know this is a rebuild year. I’m just shocked at how many are content with what our offense has become. I don’t care what the numbers say, as good as we’ve been, we are capable of way better and we can be with more talent.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16705923)

I don’t think anybody is saying that we will be anything like the fast break offense we used to be. Anyone wanting new WRs knows we are heading in the right direction. But we have some clear limitations. We’re paying $10m to Mvs who is a liability. And we may pay juju $15-20m to not be a WR1 - much as I like the guy. Again I don’t think you need to give $30m to a top 5 wr. Frankly if we’re nervous about spending then cut Mvs and think twice about re-upping juju. Get yourself a Wr1 with size AND speed, and solve our problem of having a guy who can actually match up with CB1s. That’s basically cost neutral. Then use draft picks to fill in the rest.

The WR market will be way better than you think. If not this year then next year. We’re going go see an insane amount of huge contracts come due in the next year or two and it’s unsustainable for these teams to be able to keep all their WRs.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16705970)

Mahomes missed MVS twice yesterday, one was most likely a long TD. Mahomes even called himself out in his words at his press conference.