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mr. tegu 11-23-2024 10:41 AM

Seth Keysor sees what we see...
 
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17819266)
It's not a take, it's a fact. Perhaps you're just unaware about how good Josh Allen is and has been in the regular season.

Josh Allen (average QBR of 71.9): 76.6 QBR (2020), 66.3 QBR (2021), 73.4 QBR (2022), 70.3 QBR (2023), 72.7 QBR (2024)

Patrick Mahomes (average QBR of 71.0): 78.1 QBR (2020), 67.1 QBR (2021), 79.0 QBR (2022), 63.9 QBR (2023), 67.0 QBR (2024)

Again, why am I or anybody else supposed to give a shit about that given Mahomes' playoff pedigree? Why does anybody give a **** about Mahomes not playing at a MVP level in November?


It’s a stupid take because even this one stat doesn’t support your argument. At all. 3 of 4 completed seasons Mahomes had a higher QBR. The only reason you are even going this route is because you want to pretend Mahomes has elevated his play every post season way beyond his regular season, which is of course only motivated by your desire to remove any and all blame or criticism from him when the offense struggles at times.

KC_Connection 11-23-2024 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17819532)
It’s a stupid take because even this one stat doesn’t support your argument. At all. 3 of 4 completed seasons Mahomes had a higher QBR. The only reason you are even going this route is because you want to pretend Mahomes has elevated his play every post season way beyond his regular season, which is of course only motivated by your desire to remove any and all blame or criticism from him when the offense struggles at times.

How does it not support the argument? Josh Allen’s overall QBR over the past five seasons has been better than Mahomes. On average, he’s been a better regular season QB than him since 2020.

Guess who you and everyone else in the world are still taking come playoff time? I wonder why that might be.

KC_Connection 11-23-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17819521)
This reads like a whole lot of autism.

We lost one borderline meaningless game. I’d rather have mahomes scrambling early to protect his health and throw more meaningless int to protect his health.

Thousands of words about 1 borderline meaningless loss

All regular season games are borderline meaningless games for this franchise in this era. Why some want Mahomes to stand in a collapsing pocket and take a few more massive hits to win them, I have no idea.

The team’s primary goal, above all else, should be making sure he’s still standing in January. Because if he is, this team remains the favorite to win another SB.

mr. tegu 11-23-2024 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17819536)
How does it not support the argument? Josh Allen’s overall QBR over the past five seasons has been better than Mahomes. On average, he’s been a better regular season QB than him since 2020.

Guess who you and everyone else in the world are still taking come playoff time? I wonder why that might be.


For one 0.9 is hardly significant, for two I’ll take the guy that in 3 of 4 seasons has had the better season. Or if you prefer the total numbers I’ll take the guy who since 2020 has more passing TDs, more wins, more yards, fewer turnovers, higher completion %, and a higher passer rating.

mr. tegu 11-23-2024 11:12 AM

Seth Keysor sees what we see...
 
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17819540)
All regular season games are borderline meaningless games for this franchise in this era. Why some want Mahomes to stand in a collapsing pocket and take a few more massive hits to win them, I have no idea.

The team’s primary goal, above all else, should be making sure he’s still standing in January. Because if he is, this team remains the favorite to win another SB.


This isn’t hard. No one wants him to take massive hits. Everyone wants better LT play to prevent excess hits. They also want him to play a little better because if he played better he would be hitting the open guys on time more frequently and would then be taking less hits.

KC_Connection 11-23-2024 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17819546)
For one 0.9 is hardly significant, for two I’ll take the guy that in 3 of 4 seasons has had the better season. Or if you prefer the total numbers I’ll take the guy who since 2020 has more passing TDs, more wins, more yards, fewer turnovers, higher completion %, and a higher passer rating.

To recap, we’ve now gone from calling it ridiculous and a terrible take not based in QBR to “hardly significant”.

Josh Allen has been a better regular season QB than Patrick Mahomes in QBR since the 2020 season. He’s been a significantly better regular season QB than him over the past two seasons in particular. I’ll ask again, does that mean you’re taking him over Mahomes this postseason? And if not, why not?

gordonelloyd 11-23-2024 01:37 PM

The Sam McDowell article referred to above[post 55) is probably the best analysis I have seen of the situation. Currently Mahomes is not the only problem, but he is the most significant problem as things go. And given his past performance, he should be able to return to elite level. But I am not at all comfortable with the attitude of many posters here that say don’t worry he can just flip a key come to playoffs. He had a bad year last year because of drops, not because of his poor play so much. The drops ended when they simplified the offence and stopped playing Sky and Toney. This year, although he is not the only problem, much of the problem lies with his poor play. That will be harder to turn around on a dime and he needs to start making that change now. In my view the most important part is that as worthy continues to be able to get open, Mahomes needs to start throwing to him accurately.

It is worth noting that We are such a great team that we are still nine and one despite the problems we have had. And nobody seems to be saying it, but I think Drew Tranquill should’ve been able to tackle Allan on his TD run and then Mahomes would’ve probably had another chance to see if he could have reverted to his elite level when it was needed to win the game.

KC_Connection 11-23-2024 01:45 PM

LMAO at Patrick Mahomes being referred to as a significant problem with the 9-1 Chiefs because he missed a few throws the past few weeks. As if they’d even be above 5 wins with Carson Wentz at QB.

Some here seriously need to watch the QB play on just about every other team in the league and report back about what they see.

kccrow 11-23-2024 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17818183)
Did you watch how many times Wilson stood in last night and took a SHOT to get the ball downfield?

I'm ****ing done with "Mahomes doesn't trust the OL"

You're an NFL quarterback. You're gonna get hit. Put your big boy pants on and play the position.

Besides, as was noted in the article, his indecision is GETTING him blasted about half the time. Throw the damn ball on time and you can avoid a bunch of these shots you're taking.

Agree. 90% of the problems have been in Mahomes' head since the Tampa Super Bowl.

DaFace 11-23-2024 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17818185)
He kills it. Worth the $5 a month.

In case anyone's not aware, he has a perpetual "special" of $12/year if you use this:

https://bit.ly/sethreallyhatesmoney

TheGuardian 11-23-2024 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gordonelloyd (Post 17819671)
The Sam McDowell article referred to above[post 55) is probably the best analysis I have seen of the situation. Currently Mahomes is not the only problem, but he is the most significant problem as things go. And given his past performance, he should be able to return to elite level. But I am not at all comfortable with the attitude of many posters here that say don’t worry he can just flip a key come to playoffs. He had a bad year last year because of drops, not because of his poor play so much. The drops ended when they simplified the offence and stopped playing Sky and Toney. This year, although he is not the only problem, much of the problem lies with his poor play. That will be harder to turn around on a dime and he needs to start making that change now. In my view the most important part is that as worthy continues to be able to get open, Mahomes needs to start throwing to him accurately.

It is worth noting that We are such a great team that we are still nine and one despite the problems we have had. And nobody seems to be saying it, but I think Drew Tranquill should’ve been able to tackle Allan on his TD run and then Mahomes would’ve probably had another chance to see if he could have reverted to his elite level when it was needed to win the game.

It FEELS like everyone who isn't emotionally connected to the team SEES plainly that Pat is the issue.

The problem is, as soon as you say that a bunch of posters here go into full attack mode, when it's obvious to anyone who is breaking down film and Pats play that he's NOT GOOD this season.

And lots of all time greats have some bad seasons. And Pat is having one.

KC_Connection 11-23-2024 03:45 PM

Traitors, losers and cowards.

srvy 11-23-2024 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17818263)
I refuse to believe it. Mahomes is going through one of the toughest stretches of his career, and I can't imagine they'd be foolish enough to intentionally hamstring him and not put the best personnel rostered out on the field because they want to have a pick in the 130s instead of 160s.

I suspect it's more an aging receiver we are limiting a bit. Not to mention that he probably doesn't have the full playbook down pat. Keeping Hopkins healthy for post season is way more important than a draft pick.

xztop123 11-23-2024 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17819880)
It FEELS like everyone who isn't emotionally connected to the team SEES plainly that Pat is the issue.

The problem is, as soon as you say that a bunch of posters here go into full attack mode, when it's obvious to anyone who is breaking down film and Pats play that he's NOT GOOD this season.

And lots of all time greats have some bad seasons. And Pat is having one.

Josh Allen pff grade 84.7

Mahomes 84.1 on the season.

I have a job and a life so I don’t have time to evaluate all 22 every play if the season for every player.

So for as much as pff may suck they def have time to do the job. And get paid for it

xztop123 11-23-2024 04:26 PM

Wanya morris pff is 57.3 on the season.

So who cares “who was the main problem vs bills”.

84.1 pff grade is bigg enough gap from 57.3 to make it obvious that mahomes isn’t the problem this year.


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