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Saccopoo 02-20-2009 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5509568)
I forgot, Jenkins doesnt do it for me personally not knowing about the speed and having questions about his tackling/run support. Again, our guys dont tackle well anywhere.

I hate not having the actual quote, but I read somewhere today that Jenkins will most likely be looked at being moved to FS at the next level because he doesn't possess the speed for a shut-down corner. He and the Smith kid from Utah were being mentioned together as very similar players at CB in college that will most likely be moved to FS in the pros.

keg in kc 02-20-2009 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5509563)
Thats cool. I still dont agree, but thank you for laying down your argument. I'm not sure about a LT or Crabtree. The DE's arent there. I just think you need a solid tackler at LB which we dont have. Curry is that. He also made 16 tackles behind the line and he would help in the run. It may not be sexy, but if we continue to add playmakers we'll be headed in the right direction. As I've said before no team has made it to the SB without solid if not spectacular LB play. Thats my story...

You can find good LBs in the middle rounds or in free agency; you don't need to spend the #3 pick in the draft for it, and if you do, you end up drastically overpaying in terms of $$$$. And I do think money does have to be a part of the equation.

Beyond that, the dropoff in talent and upside from Curry to the next tier of players isn't even in the same area code as it is for premium positions like QB or pass rusher or LT. Teams draft starting LBs in the 3rd and 4th round (and later) regularly. Our problem is that we haven't; the Chiefs have only taken 3 LBs *total* in the last 5 years (DJ, Fox, Boomer), and they keep bringing in 'guys'. That doesn't cut it, obviously.

Anyway, I say that's a position you fill from 2 to 5, not at #3 overall. I wouldn't have a problem with taking Curry if we picked 10 or later, but we don't. This is one of those make-or-break moments for a franchise, getting to pick at #3, and I think we need to swing for the fences rather than lay down a nice, safe sacrifice bunt.

DaneMcCloud 02-20-2009 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5509515)
I'm not sold on Cushing, but if we could land Sintim in the second...sexy.

JFC.

I SWEAR, the Chiefs have the dumbest fans, EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many times have you seen Cushing, including the Senior Bowl?

He's a first rounder. PERIOD.

DaneMcCloud 02-20-2009 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5509563)
As I've said before no team has made it to the SB without solid if not spectacular LB play. Thats my story...


So, if the Chiefs took Lofa Tatupu with the #3 pick, you'd be fine with that?

Even though he was a mid second round pick?

ChiefsCountry 02-20-2009 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5509593)
So, if the Chiefs took Lofa Tatupu with the #3 pick, you'd be fine with that?

Even though he was a mid second round pick?

Lainer, Bell, Lynch, Derrick Thomas, Will Shields, and Tony Gonzalez have ****ed with our fan base thinking what we should target. Even though we have won ONE playoff without a Hall of Fame QB. I guess Dawson is sort to blame since he wasnt drafted by the team, people think we can pluck one out of anywhere.

melbar 02-20-2009 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5509578)
You can find good LBs in the middle rounds or in free agency; you don't need to spend the #3 pick in the draft for it, and if you do, you end up drastically overpaying in terms of $$$$. And I do think money does have to be a part of the equation.

Beyond that, the dropoff in talent and upside from Curry to the next tier of players isn't even in the same area code as it is for premium positions like QB or pass rusher or LT. Teams draft starting LBs in the 3rd and 4th round (and later) regularly. Our problem is that we haven't; the Chiefs have only taken 3 LBs *total* in the last 5 years (DJ, Fox, Boomer), and they keep bringing in 'guys'. That doesn't cut it, obviously.

Anyway, I say that's a position you fill from 2 to 5, not at #3 overall. I wouldn't have a problem with taking Curry if we picked 10 or later, but we don't. This is one of those make-or-break moments for a franchise, getting to pick at #3, and I think we need to swing for the fences rather than lay down a nice, safe sacrifice bunt.


I hear you, but if say Sanchez is there and you dont think he can start for a while, or your not sure a high pick QB is gonna cost a lot to be on the bench. A LB at #3 isnt gonna make quite as much as Ryan got either. Thats what sucks about being in the 3 spot. Its a tough position to be in...

melbar 02-20-2009 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5509593)
So, if the Chiefs took Lofa Tatupu with the #3 pick, you'd be fine with that?

Even though he was a mid second round pick?


Not my first choice, but I'd rather have him than Ryan Leaf or Jordan Black...

kcchiefsus 02-20-2009 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5509623)
I hear you, but if say Sanchez is there and you dont think he can start for a while, or your not sure a high pick QB is gonna cost a lot to be on the bench. A LB at #3 isnt gonna make quite as much as Ryan got either. Thats what sucks about being in the 3 spot. Its a tough position to be in...

Oh well, costing alot to sit on the bench shouldn't factor into anything. If we feel he can be a franchise quarterback with a little more seasoning and experience by sitting on the bench then we should take him, no questions asked.

Likewise, if we don't like what we see then by all means don't take him.

DaneMcCloud 02-20-2009 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5509630)
Not my first choice, but I'd rather have him than Ryan Leaf or Jordan Black...

Uh...

Huh?

melbar 02-20-2009 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5509603)
Lainer, Bell, Lynch, Derrick Thomas, Will Shields, and Tony Gonzalez have ****ed with our fan base thinking what we should target. Even though we have won ONE playoff without a Hall of Fame QB. I guess Dawson is sort to blame since he wasnt drafted by the team, people think we can pluck one out of anywhere.

I know its a long thread, but I personally have never advocated targeting Curry or anyone for that matter. The question is he worthy has been brought up. I've said that if Both QB's are gone, or say 1 is gone and the other is evaluated by the team to be out, who do you go with? I'm saying no to LT. No to Jenkins. No to Crabtree. To me Curry is a solid pick in that situation. Listed reasons many times, but basically solid playmaker all around but hasnt been asked to passrush much.

melbar 02-20-2009 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5509637)
Uh...

Huh?

If we're talking a RT or pushing a QB into a situation he's not ready for (not saying thats neccesarily true) I'd take a solid LB.

Mecca 02-20-2009 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5509647)
If we're talking a RT or pushing a QB into a situation he's not ready for (not saying thats neccesarily true) I'd take a solid LB.

And that's why your team would never win a superbowl.

melbar 02-20-2009 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 5509631)
Oh well, costing alot to sit on the bench shouldn't factor into anything. If we feel he can be a franchise quarterback with a little more seasoning and experience by sitting on the bench then we should take him, no questions asked.

Likewise, if we don't like what we see then by all means don't take him.

thats what I'm saying. If they arent sure or they think they need to work with him a lot they shouldnt take that gamble. Depends on their evaluation.

Mecca 02-20-2009 02:15 AM

Our fan base is screwed, people want to build teams ass backwards.

melbar 02-20-2009 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5509650)
And that's why your team would never win a superbowl.

Your just being a douche to be a douche now. You know exactly what I'm saying. I dare if we were to compare drafts my proven players would kick your "potential" guys a--es ten ways to sunday.

Mecca 02-20-2009 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5509663)
Your just being a douche to be a douche now. You know exactly what I'm saying. I dare if we were to compare drafts my proven players would kick your "potential" guys a--es ten ways to sunday.

Really?

You're one of those guys who likely didn't agree with me when I said Cromartie would be a better pick than Hali too right?

You start your team with a OLB I'll start mine with a QB, we'll see who gets further.

kcchiefsus 02-20-2009 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5509667)
Really?

You're one of those guys who likely didn't agree with me when I said Cromartie would be a better pick than Hali too right?

You start your team with a OLB I'll start mine with a QB, we'll see who gets further.

Not saying he wasn't a better pick than Hali, but Cromartie was statistically one of the worst starting cornerbacks in the league this year.

melbar 02-20-2009 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5509667)
Really?

You're one of those guys who likely didn't agree with me when I said Cromartie would be a better pick than Hali too right?

You start your team with a OLB I'll start mine with a QB, we'll see who gets further.

If the QB isnt your guy you dont force the pick. Thats what leads to years of being in the same position. If the best guy is LB and thats one piece to the puzzle you fill that piece and get your QB next year if you have to. I hope thats not the case but you know full well that I've said all along that I hope that we do get our QBOTF. You keep twisting what I or anyone who has a differing oppinion says to bolster your point or get in a lame dig.

BTW I did like Cromarti (course I thought Hali would be a hell of lot better)...still like Long, Long, Dorsey, Ryan over Gholston. Your flash over substance.

Mecca 02-20-2009 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 5509674)
Not saying he wasn't a better pick than Hali, but Cromartie was statistically one of the worst starting cornerbacks in the league this year.

He played the season with a fractured hip...

Mecca 02-20-2009 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5509679)
If the QB isnt your guy you dont force the pick. Thats what leads to years of being in the same position. If the best guy is LB and thats one piece to the puzzle you fill that piece and get your QB next year if you have to. I hope thats not the case but you know full well that I've said all along that I hope that we do get our QBOTF. You keep twisting what I or anyone who has a differing oppinion says to bolster your point or get in a lame dig.

BTW I did like Cromarti (course I thought Hali would be a hell of lot better)...still like Long, Long, Dorsey, Ryan over Gholston. Your flash over substance.

You don't take non rushing LB's this high, traditional backers should be picked in rounds 2 and on...

See you take Curry here then next year you're stuck picking one of the spread monkey QB's while the board has elite D players at the top end.

Mecca 02-20-2009 02:35 AM

In my opinion taking Aaron Curry with a top 5 pick would be like saying Steve Hutchinson was worth a top 5 pick.


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