That was not the argument. The argument was that you needed a great QB to win playoff games. And who here would really want to waste a first round pick on a QB if they knew he was going to end up like Dilfer or Collins?

Collins has been up and down more that Pioli Zombies mom over his career...

"Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins"

If by getting pretty far you mean made the playoffs and promptly shit the bed, I guess so.

You can gurantee 100% fact that you know Stafford and Sanchez will end up like Dilfer or Collins? You have that much knowledge of the game to prove to everyone you can forsee the future with these two QB's?

I posted this in another thread earlier this year:

There are a lot of really good teams that don't win a Superbowl every year. Look at the Pats last year. Possibly one of the greatest teams of all time and they lost. Look at the Steelers and Giants when they won and the Cardinals this year. Crazy stuff happens in the playoffs. For the Chiefs to win the Superbowl they're probably going to need more than one shot at it with a really good team because of the nature of the playoffs. Teams that are consistently in playoffs with good teams every year have one thing in common. They have great quaterbacks. Patriots/Brady, Colts/Manning, Steelers/Roethlisberger, Chargers/Brees/Rivers, earlier in the deacade you had Eagles/McNabb(before he couldn't decide whether to care or not).

You can also look at the great defenses this decade that didn't have franchise qbs. Baltimore and tampa bay for example. From 2003 to 2007 they finished in the top 6 in total defense every year except for Tampa Bay in 2006. Without a good quarterback those great defenses had a regular season record of 79-81, made the playoffs 4 out of 10 times and won ZERO playoff games. To repeat those defenses finished in the top 6 nine out of ten years and won 0 playoff games.

Sure we could build the defense, hope to get a qb later, and pray to god that everything falls into place like it did for Trent Dilfer. Sure it could happen, but its not likely.

Excellent post.

but, but, but, Dilfer has a ring.

IT was a very good post, but he better be prepared for a http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1/1_4_88.gif from the anti QB crowd...




http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp...p=ZNxdm824YYUS

I think you need to go back a few pages and read the context of what was being said, then you will understand why I said that.

Sanchez could not even stay healthy behind a superb offensive line at USC. He would get slaughtered behind the Chief's OL.....

:spock:

You know how I know you have no ****ing idea what is coming out of your mouth?

What games did he miss last year because of injury?

Did you watch any USC football. He hobbled around half the damn year with a knee brace on.

For the record, I would really like to draft a qb, im not even arguing that. I just think we should trade down to draft one. I would rather get two first round picks and get a QB than one....

I watched plenty actually, I enjoy watching Carrols teams... But I must of missed where he hobbled around while he showed great mobility and pocket presence...

Look who was doing the picking
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... Suffered a dislocated left knee cap prior to the season opener and his mobility was limited.

Right off nfl.com

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...e-tab-analysis

Please God, for the entertainment value alone, let them pick anything but a qb.
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In the last 2 days, I've learned that Sanchez is, a rapist, immature, being taken advantage by his brother, not a good player, inaccurate, weak armed, and injury prone.

There are plenty of steak houses in Kansas City that do "okay" too, but I never ate at them.
Why the **** would I go to the 'Sizzler' when I've got 10 places that are superior?

If he was hobbled this year and still showed excellent mobility then just think how much more mobile he will be when we draft him ;)

Um....the Steelers had the #1 defense in the league.

Pioli also always had a great qb. Whos to say he won't pick one now that he doesn't have one?

Adam Teicher posts on the forum ladies and gentlemen.

Of course. None of them have the knowledge of the einsteins that inhabit chiefs planet.
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I'm not going to freak if they don't - but you have to think that's where they're leaning, it just makes sense.

Patriots have finished outside the top 10 defensively twice. Once was 2002, when they didn't make the playoffs. The other time was 2005, where the team went 10-6. So, the two worst seasons defensively were the two worst seasons record-wise. In the 3 Super Bowl winning years, the team was #6, #1 and #2 on defense.

The Colts with Manning are under .500 in the playoffs.

The Steelers 2 Super Bowl wins had defenses ranked #1 and #3.

The Eagles defenses since 2000 and early in the decade: #4, #2, #2, #7, #2, #27 (6-10)

Chargers: #11, #13, #7, #5, #15, and the only year they got to the AFCCG was the year with the best defense.

In order to be a consistently top tier team, you need both the offense AND the defense. Both Pro and Anti Stafford/Sanchez people are simply going to have to trust that the new regime knows what it's doing.

This is a great example of why reading shit on the net and actually watching a guy play are not the same thing.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I don't think the Eagles are really what people want to be, being a consistent playoff loser isn't my bag.

DING!

If you were to take an objective look at the combination of Pioli/Haley and think that they'll roll into 09 without a QB they trust, you've jumped on a different train than most.

Um... they also had a franchise quarterback that led them to several 4th quarter game winning drves this year, including one in the Super Bowl.

You're not getting 2 1st round picks and a QB, the only team with 2 is the Eagles and both of their picks are so late it wouldn't happen.

So how about you rethink that take and come back logically?

Alright, I am going to drop the Sanchez issue. If, and when, we draft him, I hope you will all come back for your lumps when he is a bust (just like I will if he pans out). As a closing argument I will say this.

He put up rather pedestrian numbers in a conference that was having a down year on a team that has the most skilled offensive players in the NCAA. Finally, our defense is horrid, and I think we all remember 2003 and how painful it was to watch them. We have a developing secondary, but we need a pass rush to keep them from getting stuck in coverage too long.

2 picks (one of which is a QB). Such as trading down and getting the 10th pick and a late first rounder.

He was pretty clear a few posts ago that he does watch USC football and witnessed Sanchez hobbling all year long...

Quick answer this how many 1st round picks do the Steelers have on defense compared to offense and who is the highest drafted player on their roster?

I'll let you explain to me how NFL draft blitz is any more qualified to comment on the draft than anyone on this board.

Uh how are you doing that when the team picking 10th doesn't have a late first rounder to give you?

So he's blind then?

Sanchez moved around in the 1st game of the year.

your money and his money = hamas' money. ask hamas he was lookin for another taker

I wasn't the one who brought them up. I simply responded to that post.

It can be done, just has to involve more than one team. I think alot of teams would jump at a chance and would work something out to get a player the likes of Crabtree.

was ryan sims the "safest choice?"

The ones when he was screwing your sister
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Ok, so you trade with SF at 10, where do they get the late first rounder?

Not sure. But that defense won the game. Not the QB.

Without the 14 point swing at the end of the half, the pedestrian 17 points the offense scored would've amounted to a snoozer of a SB.

Priceless shit on chiefs planet.
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Yeah, that's what I figured.

Yea the defense won the game by giving up 14 4th quarter points...I bet a defender drove them down the field at the end too!

His take really makes no sense to me he's acting like this is an NBA trade and a team will just give you a 1st round pick in a 3 team trade to save money.

Without that game winning drive by the franchise QB, they lose.

mecca 4 nfc championship games :rolleyes:, yeah i dont want that. you have to get there to have a shot

You're right, you do need offense and defense. This year is void of elite defensive talent, has two potential franchise qbs, and really doesn't provide any elite talent at positions the chiefs need other than qb. Next year is void of franchise quarterbacks and will be loaded with defensive talent at the top of the draft. 2 years from now I'd figure Pioli will have us picking out of the top ten so you may never be in a position to get that top quaterback talent. If you concede you need a franchise qb to win a Super Bowl the "safe" thing to do is draft him this year.

The Eagles are like a lesser known version of the Bills...would you really like to go through that?

Obviously you are a Sanchez fanboy (as if one couldn't tell by your profile), so you are inevitably going to be biased. As someone who is neither a fan of Georgia or USC, I can assure you that neither (and especially Sanchez) are worthy of a top 5 pick. I would even be in support of trading away our #3 pick altogether for something better down the line, because we sure arent competing next year....

That doesn't even factor in that next year has a ton of elite defensive talent and no QB's there are atleast 4-5 players that will be in next years draft that are better defensive prospects than any player in this years draft.

Let's just put the nonsense to bed and get right to the visual aid for those who obviously need one:

http://www.mywavv.com/Scripts/index.htm
Chiefs vs Broncos 1997 (Playoff)

If this doesn't convince you that a stellar defense and an "okay" QB will get you jack squat, then you are most DEFINITELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY reerunED.

Get to class, ya' dumb ****s.

Great that doesn't change the fact that you're trade scenario makes no sense but great job at trying to deflect that into something else.

I'm wondering how valuable your assurances are?

Brock...you lost some cred when you say NFLdraftblitz...is a shit site...then don't back it up.....only because it says we're drafting Curry....just like Mecca saying nfldraftcountdown is a shit site for saying the same thing...where;s your argument?

If they are anything like his trade scenarios I doubt he could pay people to take them.

Who needs espn, nfl.com,cbs,sporting news, nfl network, fox sports. Any publications or websites

I've got you guys who know so much more

So pathetic.
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Because nfl.com surely does not know what they are talking about. Scrub posters on chiefsplanet must have the inside scoop! ROFL

NFLDraftBlitz is a shit site, a few years ago it had Omar Jacobs as a top 5 pick.

mecca, once again 4 super bowls in 4 years(bills) 4 nfc championship games 1 sb:rolleyes: yeah no one here wants that. you HAVE to get there to have ANY chance

Why don't you explain to me what gives them any credibility? Most of these draft web sites, probably all of them, are somewhere on the level of WPI.

I don't care what their take is on Sanchez or any other player, I'm saying that they're just another draft website with the same information as everybody else.

ROFL

That's funny. I remember you on your high horse earlier saying name calling was out of line.

Yeah. That and a 14 point swing by the defense. Without the D they are 17 points behind on that last drive.

Let's just put it this way. Without that defense, they're not in the SB. You are intimating that the #1 defense in the league was responsible than the middle of the road offense.

In the SB, Rothlesburger wasn't even the best QB on the field. the best offense was the Cards. they didn't win. The team with the best defense won.

check it out then...and then me what you think..it sounds now as if you've never even been on that site...

Personally, I could give a rat's ass what you think of me or my opinion. We're not talking about ESPN or fox sports, we're talking about some website that puts NFL DRAFT in their name and dumbshits like you think that means something.

Yes. I've noticed with some concern that El Zombo either has a double standard or none at all.

FAX

I tried looking at it, but the ad for the FREE NINTENDO WII had me instantly disinterested. It's amateur bullshit, just like you're reading here.

Only on a Chiefs forum could someone make the argument the Steelers defense won the bowl after folding like a ****ing chair at the end of the game.

There are potentially "great" defensive players on the board, too. The rest of your post is just the same argument that the Sanchez kneepad crew keeps making over and over. If Pioli thinks there's a quarterback at #3 who's a franchise QB, I expect he'll take him. If not, I expect he'll draft a defender. Of course, the 3rd option is Cassel, and that has several possible permutations, any/all of which would have some people here going apoplectic.

The last time I checked, a football game was 60 minutes long, barring overtime.

And without a QB they lose...just like the 90s Chiefs always did in big games.

The Steelers and their all world f'n QB should have managed more than 17 poinst against a lousy defense like the Cards. The Steeler defense still held them down and gave a mediocre performance from the lesser of the 2 QBs to be good enough to win.

Since when is 17 points agains a bottom ranked defense a great performance in a SB?

You just make it up as you go.

That defense is responsible for the win. Harrison, an OLB won that game.

Warner>Rothlesburger.

Without a defense, they lose too. You're making a poor argument.

The 99 yard INT return for a TD was a game changer.

Yeah, plus that Defense had nothing to do with getting them TO the Super Bowl - it was all Ben?

QBs don't allow for teleportation to the big dance last I checked - that D was SOLID and the main reason they got there and won.

Ben & Co. got it at times, but never carried them once throughout the season really, he actually had a pretty subpar year...though they were def stricken at RB all season.

"i dont care about how you were hugged when you were little, if you got enough eatin, if this stuff's boring you that i'm tellin ya you're in the wrong sport" just heard john lott tell the guys that at the combineROFLROFL