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Reaper16 10-18-2009 10:54 PM
Hey, Lemon_Pie: remember yesterday when I said that you didn't post enough for me to know if you annoy me?

I've seen enough now.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186810)
Speaking of blind, I guess you missed the numerous posts that show that he was only guaranteed $6M?

Teams heavily backload contracts knowing they are never going to pay that money - as a small percentage of the extension was guaranteed.

They could have signed him to a 40 year, $900B extension, and if they only guaranteed $6M, as they did in this instance, they could have cut him the next day and not owed him a dime over the $6M they guaranteed in the deal.
you're implying that his deal had something to do with Brady... when it's more than likely just good negotiation on the pats part

Titty Meat 10-18-2009 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186821)
That was already used after week 4. And week 5. He has shown little this entire season despite all the hype.
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Yea, Troy Aikman sucked his first season too. You can't judge rookies after 1 year just like you can't judge a QB whos traded to a new team with shitty talent.

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6186815)
And Cassel, playing behind two Heisman winning quarterbacks doesn't? Doesn't play in college because the guys in front of him are winning Heisman's and National Championships and falls to the 7th round. But Starr falling to the 17th round because he missed his senior season is okay?

At least to me, there seems to be some cynical double standards being applied around here.
I'm not sure how you can even compare the eras.

The things scouts are looking for and the attributes that define a "franchise QB" has changed quite a bit in 50+ years.

There weren't a lot of 6-4, 240 pound QB's back in the day.

milkman 10-18-2009 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6186815)
And Cassel, playing behind two Heisman winning quarterbacks doesn't? Doesn't play in college because the guys in front of him are winning Heisman's and National Championships and falls to the 7th round. But Starr falling to the 17th round because he missed his senior season is okay?

At least to me, there seems to be some cynical double standards being applied around here.
The fact that Cassel hasn't yet played in the SB doesn't skew those numbers.

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6186814)
And his point remains valid.

It's already been covered.
Then why is the conversation going on still, dumbass, unless the implication its ok for you to discuss it but its not okay for me to. **** you.
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Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6186823)
Hey, Lemon_Pie: remember yesterday when I said that you didn't post enough for me to know if you annoy me?

I've seen enough now.
ok.

dirk digler 10-18-2009 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186826)
you're implying that his deal had something to do with Brady... when it's more than likely just good negotiation on the pats part
You are correct it had nothing to do with Brady. He signed the extension prior to the draft

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186826)
you're implying that his deal had something to do with Brady... when it's more than likely just good negotiation on the pats part
You really are ****ing stupid. I thought it was all an act at first, but you've since convinced me.

DeezNutz 10-18-2009 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186831)
Then why is the conversation going on still, dumbass, unless the implication its ok for you to discuss it but its not okay for me to. **** you.
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You might want to edit this post to make sure you mention Sanchez.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 10:58 PM
Seriously... why would the patriots claim otherwise regarding Brady? Remember this is the franchise that produced egoli

milkman 10-18-2009 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186831)
Then why is the conversation going on still, dumbass, unless the implication its ok for you to discuss it but its not okay for me to. **** you.
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His point, dumbass, is that you haven't added anything new.

Discuss it all the **** you want you dipshit, but don't act like you're the first to bring a point to the discussion, dumb****.

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6186827)
Yea, Troy Aikman sucked his first season too. You can't judge rookies after 1 year just like you can't judge a QB whos traded to a new team with shitty talent.
You are going to compare Troy Aikmans credentials and obvious abilities coming out of UCLA to Mark Sanchez??? Give me an effen break.
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Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186834)
You really are ****ing stupid. I thought it was all an act at first, but you've since convinced me.
holy shit. Your argument consists of

1. Pats organization pats self on back

and

2. Drew Bledsoe's contract was made with 2nd year, 6th round pick Tom Brady in mind

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6186840)
His point, dumbass, is that you haven't added anything new.

Discuss it all the **** you want you dipshit, but don't act like you're the first to bring a point to the discussion, dumb****.
Like you bring anything to the table except being a ****ing prick.
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OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 11:00 PM
I'm done for the night.

Enjoy ignoring every piece of evidence that proves you wrong, LP.

milkman 10-18-2009 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186846)
Like you bring anything to the table except being a ****ing prick.
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I never said I did anything original dumbass.

There's the ****ing difference dickbreath.

DeezNutz 10-18-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186846)
Like you bring anything to the table except being a ****ing prick.
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LMAO.

Yes, I agree. He brings very little insight to football discussions, particularly those involving detailed analysis of line play.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186848)
I'm done for the night.

Enjoy ignoring every piece of evidence that proves you wrong, LP.
Ive addressed EVERYTHING... but keep telling me to read a book

dirk digler 10-18-2009 11:02 PM
Oops my bad Brady was drafted in 2000 not 2001. Bledsoe signed his extension in March 2001

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6186835)
You might want to edit this post to make sure you mention Sanchez.
The thread was about Mark Sanchez until it got shifted to the Patriot history lesson.
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splatbass 10-18-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186756)
Dude, you're saying that the guy that wrote that book, who was embedded inside the franchise for 3 years is making this shit up?

Your hatred for Dane is making you flush all common sense.
I'm saying that they let him be embedded for 3 years because they expected him to write a positive book about them. That automatically makes it biased. I'm not saying it is wrong, but if you think it is the full truth I have a bridge in San Fransisco to sell you.

carlos3652 10-18-2009 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6186806)
So then whats the big deal about the contract the Chiefs signed Cassel to?
Good Question...:hmmm: id like to hear some responses on this one...

Who's to say we dont trade him off once we develop a qb of our own?

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 6186862)
I'm saying that they let him be embedded for 3 years because they expected him to write a positive book about them. That automatically makes it biased. I'm not saying it is wrong, but if you think it is the full truth I have a bridge in San Fransisco to sell you.
You might want to read the book before talking out of your ass...

LMAO

And I thought the pro-Sanchez people were the cynical ones.

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6186857)
LMAO.

Yes, I agree. He brings very little insight to football discussions, particularly those involving detailed analysis of line play.
I'm just shocked he hasn't been asked to work for the Chiefs because of his analysis and genius. The same way I'm really stunned Mecca and Hamas haven't been given lucrative jobs in the scouting department. Such unappreciated super genius.
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carlos3652 10-18-2009 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6186860)
Oops my bad Brady was drafted in 2000 not 2001. Bledsoe signed his extension in March 2001
Right but the extension was made super friendly regardless, not just for tom brady... the reason it was for 101 million, was because it was backloaded...

Only way he sees that money is if the Patriots wanted to give it to him... whoever came up with this contract was genius

Edit: anyone know the answer to that?

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by carlos3652 (Post 6186873)
Right but the extension was made super friendly regardless, not just for tom brady... the reason it was for 101 million, was because it was backloaded...

Only way he sees that money is if the Patriots wanted to give it to him... whoever came up with this contract was genius

Edit: anyone know the answer to that?
What was the question?
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Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:10 PM
Patriots make a wonderful spin about how they were wrong in the assessment of Bledsoe... feed Brady's legend... tells everyone how smart they are.... all while never actually claiming that they expected Brady to start...just that he was pushing Bledsoe.

dirk digler 10-18-2009 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by carlos3652 (Post 6186873)
Right but the extension was made super friendly regardless, not just for tom brady... the reason it was for 101 million, was because it was backloaded...

Only way he sees that money is if the Patriots wanted to give it to him... whoever came up with this contract was genius

Edit: anyone know the answer to that?
From what I have read the Pats needed the salary cap space so they redid his deal to make it cap friendly

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186882)
Patriots make a wonderful spin about how they were wrong in the assessment of Bledsoe... feed Brady's legend... tells everyone how smart they are.... all while never actually claiming that they expected Brady to start...just that he was pushing Bledsoe.
WUT?
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DaneMcCloud 10-18-2009 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186882)
Patriots make a wonderful spin about how they were wrong in the assessment of Bledsoe... feed Brady's legend... tells everyone how smart they are.... all while never actually claiming that they expected Brady to start...just that he was pushing Bledsoe.
Prove it

Hammock Parties 10-18-2009 11:14 PM
Even the CasselhaterSanchezlovers can't deny Matty Spice does a good job of protecting the football.

2 picks in 6 games? Never in my wildest dreams did I see that coming to pass...

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:14 PM
Patriot Reign: Bill Belichick, the Coaches, and the Players Who Built a Champion

what a great title... who reads this garbage? This book is all about making the pats look good.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186887)
WUT?
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yeah... I could have done better with that post

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6186884)
From what I have read the Pats needed the salary cap space so they redid his deal to make it cap friendly
It cleared out some cap space so they could go out and get some cheap FA's. Also, the amount guaranteed on the contract was only a couple of years worth. They knew they could get rid of him if things changed. And as it turned out it did and they traded him for a 1st round pick that turned out to be Ty Warren.
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DaneMcCloud 10-18-2009 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186893)
Patriot Reign: Bill Belichick, the Coaches, and the Players Who Built a Champion

what a great title... who reads this garbage? This book is all about making the pats look good.
Weak argument. Everything in print is a lie?

LMAO

Got something better, maybe?

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6186891)
Even the CasselhaterSanchezlovers can't deny Matty Spice does a good job of protecting the football.

2 picks in 6 games? Never in my wildest dreams did I see that coming to pass...
Sanchez throws that many picks taking a crap.
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carlos3652 10-18-2009 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186880)
What was the question?
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Who came up with that contract to give to Bledsoe...?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6186898)
Weak argument.

Got something better, maybe?
how about you give me something more Dane? Tell me why this book is a legit source....

DeezNutz 10-18-2009 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6186891)
Even the CasselhaterSanchezlovers can't deny Matty Spice does a good job of protecting the football.

2 picks in 6 games? Never in my wildest dreams did I see that coming to pass...
I've been more impressed with him not fumbling.

When he starts actually pushing the ball downfield with more consistency, and if he still has a very limited amount of picks, I'll be far more impressed.

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186893)
Patriot Reign: Bill Belichick, the Coaches, and the Players Who Built a Champion

what a great title... who reads this garbage? This book is all about making the pats look good.
It was written after they won their 2 Super Bowl in 3 years. They were good. Duh.
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DeezNutz 10-18-2009 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186906)
how about you give me something more Dane? Tell me why this book is a legit source....
Why does he owe you a book report?

You've done the proverbial, "judging a book by its cover." Read it, or don't read it. Whatever. But don't pretend like you're able to speak about its contents.

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by carlos3652 (Post 6186903)
Who came up with that contract to give to Bledsoe...?
I would think the bottom line is it was Belichick with blessing from the Krafts in consultations with Cap guru Andy W and his player personnel man Scott Pioli.
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DaneMcCloud 10-18-2009 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186906)
how about you give me something more Dane? Tell me why this book is a legit source....
Are you not READING the thread?

Michael Holley is a respected journalist.

If you're going to claim that these are lies, you should have challenged the publisher with "the truth" in 2004, when it was first published.

JFC.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6186914)
Why does he owe you a book report?

You've done the proverbial, "judging a book by its cover." Read it, or don't read it. Whatever. But don't pretend like you're able to speak about its contents.
Well he could at least provide an example of where they talked about expecting to start Brady by year 3 despite the contract...instead he's provided nothing. OTWP provided and account Brady's tremendous feat in beating out Huard and pushing Bledsoe in preseason...

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6186927)
Are you not READING the thread?

Michael Holley is a respected journalist.

If you're going to claim that these are lies, you should have challenged the publisher with "the truth" in 2004, when it was first published.

JFC.
They knew all along!!! what was the point of this book?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-18-2009 11:27 PM
It's not lies...if indeed he did say that the patriots knew what they had in Brady...it's a spin...a stretch

FloridaMan88 10-18-2009 11:30 PM
Sanchez looked like a California kid who had no clue how to throw in the type of weather he was playing in today in New York.

Dumb game plan by the Jets to ask him to throw the ball close to 30 times. In a game like today, play Martyball and wait for the other team to make a mistake.

Titty Meat 10-18-2009 11:32 PM
Cassel has played pretty good

Pioli Zombie 10-18-2009 11:32 PM
Sanchez threw a fit in the locker room. It was Intercepted.
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carlos3652 10-18-2009 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6186945)
Sanchez threw a fit in the locker room. It was Intercepted.
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LMAO

DaneMcCloud 10-18-2009 11:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6186938)
It's not lies...if indeed he did say that the patriots knew what they had in Brady...it's a spin...a stretch
:shake:

ChiefsCountry 10-18-2009 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6186751)
SB I: Bart Starr; 17th round
SB II: Bart Starr; 17th round
SBIII: Joe Namath; 1st round
SBIV: Len Dawson; 1st round
SBV: Johnny Unitas; 9th round
SBVI: Roger Staubach; 10th round
SBVII: Bob Greise; 1st round
SBVIII: Bob Greise; 1st round
SBIX: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBX: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXI: Ken Stabler; 2nd round
SBXII: Roger Staubach; 10th round
SBXIII: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXIV: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXV: Jim Plunkett; 1st round
SBXVI: Joe Montana; 3rd round
SBXVII: Joe Theismann; 4th round
XVIII: Jim Plunkett; 1st round
XIX: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XX: Jim McMahon; 1st round
XXI: Phil Simms; 1st round
XXII: Doug Williams; 1st round
XXIII: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XXIV: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XXV: Jeff Hostetler; 3rd round
XXVI: Mark Rypien; 6th round
XXVII: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXVIII: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXIX: Steve Young; 1st round
XXX: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXXI: Brett Favre; 2nd round
XXXII: John Elway; 1st round
XXXIII: John Elway; 1st round
XXXIV: Kurt Warner; Undrafted
XXXV: Trent Dilfer; 1st round
XXXVI: Tom Brady; 6th round
XXXVII: Brad Johnson; 9th round
XXXVIII: Tom Brady; 6th round
XXXIX: Tom Brady; 6th round
XL: Ben Rothlisberger; 1st round
XLI: Peyton Manning; 1st round
XLII: Eli Manning; 1st round

So, in theory, no, no 7th round quarterback has won the Super Bowl. However, we've got a 17th rounder, a 10th rounder, a couple of 9th rounders, some 6th rounders, and even one that was completely undrafted.

I don't think that the round that a QB was picked is at all indicative of their capabilities, desire, maturity, etc., which elevates them to Super Bowl level.

Sure, you know that there are some good ones in round one. But there are also just as many that go complete busto. Maybe more actually.

So, basically, I think that you trying to say that just because Cassel was a 7th round pick and because of that singularly, he'll never win a Super Bowl is total bull.
Its 60/40 in favor of 1st round quarterbacks and Brady/Montana make up half of the 40 percent. So you have about a 20% at winning a Super Bowl with a non-first round pick. I'll play the better odds every time.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-19-2009 12:01 AM
Ill Tell you what, Dane. Ill read the book. But Im sorry if I don't believe that after 1 year (2000), the patriots thought Brady showed enough for them to determine that he'd be starting by 2002

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-19-2009 12:01 AM
Staubach would have been a 1st had he not had his Naval requirement.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-19-2009 12:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6186891)
Even the CasselhaterSanchezlovers can't deny Matty Spice does a good job of protecting the football.

2 picks in 6 games? Never in my wildest dreams did I see that coming to pass...
When you don't take chances and go for the Big Play, what else could be the possible outcome?

Seriously?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-19-2009 12:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6186768)
No. The current discussion is over whether or not Tom Brady was considered to be a "career backup" before Bledsoe was traded.
before Bledsoe was hurt and entering the 2001 season, FWIW... By the time Bledsoe was traded Brady was considered a franchise QB

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-19-2009 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186734)
If you'd read the article I posted from Jay Glazer, you'd have your answer.

The "extension" was extremely Patriot-friendly, in the event they needed to, or wanted to trade him.

Drew Bledsoe was NEVER going to see anywhere near $103M.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2001/...vre010302.html

Same shit for Favre that same year... and it had nothing to do with Hasselbeck... that's just how they did it I guess.

Scenario: It's 2001. Drew Bledsoe has just signed a franchise QB contract similar to that of Brett Favre's deal. Going into Game 1 of 2001 you are asked who you think the patriots expect to be their starting QB on Game 1 of 2002. Do say A. Drew Bledsoe.... or.... B. Tom Brady who has shown LOTS of promise, but has 3 career attempts. If you selected A...then Dane is wrong.

The argument started after this quote by Dane: "They expected him to start by year three, IIRC." in a response to the mention of Brady being a 6th round pick in 2000.

Brady was supposed to be a career backup---like Cassel, others-- and got an opportunity to prove he was something more---like Cassel, others. The only difference was that Brady proved immediately he was a Franchise QB--making Bledsoe expendable--while Cassel only proved to have potential after achieving moderate success in 2008.

Ill say it again. Brady is tough to categorize...but it's not a huge stretch to say he was considered a career backup type by the Patriots in 2001 before he even attempted 4 career passes. After Bledsoe's injury is an entirely different story....but I don't think he was considered QBOTF before ever starting...which I believe is what Dane was arguing.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-19-2009 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6186981)
When you don't take chances and go for the Big Play, what else could be the possible outcome?

Seriously?
You are such a tool. Matt Cassel has rarely had a lead, has a suspect defense (although it has it's good moments), a porous offensive line, and very little running game.

To dismiss his success protecting the ball shows that either you know nothing..... or your position in this argument does not allow you to be honest.

Stinger 10-19-2009 06:18 AM
Wow and to think many on this thread would not give a Rookie last year and this year on the Defensive side of the ball for the Chiefs any leeway. :shake:

On a side note I would say this was a growing pain game for Sanchez. More importantly than this game is how he bounces back after this game, I think that will be more of a test to how he will progress and how he will be perceived. Not to mention how the Jets will or will not put a leash on him.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-19-2009 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Stinger (Post 6187066)
Wow and to think many on this thread would not give a Rookie last year and this year on the Defensive side of the ball for the Chiefs any leeway. :shake:

On a side note I would say this was a growing pain game for Sanchez. More importantly than this game is how he bounces back after this game, I think that will be more of a test to how he will progress and how he will be perceived. Not to mention how the Jets will or will not put a leash on him.
Who in this thread would you say is guilty of the above?

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-19-2009 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6187054)
You are such a tool. Matt Cassel has rarely had a lead, has a suspect defense (although it has it's good moments), a porous offensive line, and very little running game.

To dismiss his success protecting the ball shows that either you know nothing..... or your position in this argument does not allow you to be honest.
Thank you for going full-circle in your first sentence right back to my original point.

Good day to you sir; I SAID GOOD DAY!LMAO

Chiefnj2 10-19-2009 10:17 AM
Five interceptions and a QB rating in the single digits? That sucks.
Signed, Jamarcus Russel.

Even I never had a day that bad.
- Ryan Leaf.

DaWolf 10-19-2009 10:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6186981)
When you don't take chances and go for the Big Play, what else could be the possible outcome?

Seriously?
Uhh, taking chances and going for big plays would only lead to a sack for this offense. Actually getting big plays down the field requires pass catchers who can get separation downfield and linemen who can hold blocks for more than 1 second...

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-19-2009 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6187483)
Uhh, taking chances and going for big plays would only lead to a sack for this offense. Actually getting big plays down the field requires pass catchers who can get separation downfield and linemen who can hold blocks for more than 1 second...
Uh, there's plenty of sacking going on as-is. Meh.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-19-2009 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6187505)
Uh, there's plenty of sacking going on as-is. Meh.
Yeah, he should be winging it around like your hero Sanchez.... that worked wonders for the Jets.

Better team by miles and still lost, despite 200 yards rushing.

Brilliant.

Oh, and the 'weather' was bad..... Sanchez complained before the game that he had never played in temps below 50 degrees....ouch, my vagina's frozen over....thats who I want leading my team, the guy griping about 44 degree weather..... I guess someone forgot to tell him NY doesn't have a dome.... what is he going to do when he has to play in negative degree weather with snow and wind?

Too bad he wasn't drafted by KC, I mean it never gets cold here.

King_Chief_Fan 10-19-2009 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac (Post 6185033)
Man...sure glad we didn't draft him...he looks terrible.
he is what he is: first year pro player with 16 college games under his belt....no way this kid should have a bad day:shake:

Just Passin' By 10-19-2009 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6187505)
Uh, there's plenty of sacking going on as-is. Meh.
So the QB should try holding the ball even longer to throw deep passes to covered receivers? People here are already bitching because Cassel dares to hold the ball for longer than 0.3 seconds.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-19-2009 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6187543)
Yeah, he should be winging it around like your hero Sanchez.... that worked wonders for the Jets.

Better team by miles and still lost, despite 200 yards rushing.

Brilliant.

Oh, and the 'weather' was bad..... Sanchez complained before the game that he had never played in temps below 50 degrees....ouch, my vagina's frozen over....thats who I want leading my team, the guy griping about 44 degree weather..... I guess someone forgot to tell him NY doesn't have a dome.... what is he going to do when he has to play in negative degree weather with snow and wind?

Too bad he wasn't drafted by KC, I mean it never gets cold here.
Who's the tool now, tool?

Get bent over your excuse-making for Mark Castle; by the time he and Sanchez are on the "same level", it'll be time for Mark Castle to retire. And isn't that swell?
Sanchez is a true rook on a winning team with a rook Head Coach; I'm sure he weeps nightly for your approval.

ChiefsCountry 10-19-2009 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 6187554)
he is what he is: first year pro player with 16 college games under his belt....no way this kid should have a bad day:shake:
Dude you are quoting an alcoholic, pill popping, racisit rapist who is a complete moron on football takes.

LaChapelle 10-19-2009 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Stinger (Post 6187066)
Wow and to think many on this thread would not give a Rookie last year and this year on the Defensive side of the ball for the Chiefs any leeway. :shake:

On a side note I would say this was a growing pain game for Sanchez. More importantly than this game is how he bounces back after this game, I think that will be more of a test to how he will progress and how he will be perceived. Not to mention how the Jets will or will not put a leash on him.
This was his bounce back game after a bad game in Miami, and he was worse. He was trying to force things. Ryan said he thought of pulling him.

Hope New York doesn't ruin him, they'll be on him like white on rice in a styrofoam cup (edit) losing to the rival Fins and Bills.

Brock 10-19-2009 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6187570)
Get bent over your excuse-making for Mark Castle; by the time he and Sanchez are on the "same level", it'll be time for Mark Castle to retire. And isn't that swell?
Uh, yeah, because Cassel is practically over the hill.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-19-2009 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6187562)
So the QB should try holding the ball even longer to throw deep passes to covered receivers? People here are already bitching because Cassel dares to hold the ball for longer than 0.3 seconds.
When he has 4 to 6 seconds in the pocket after evading the rush, making an attempt would be quite the welcome change, yes.

See the Dallas game. Evade the rush, and then "uh...uh...looking...uh...(throw it away).
Take a chance for ****'s sake.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-19-2009 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6187577)
Uh, yeah, because Cassel is practically over the hill.
Ah yes, I forgot; this is the same crowd that thinks Warner and Favre's longevity are the norm in the NFL.:rolleyes:

Brock 10-19-2009 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6187581)
Ah yes, I forgot; this is the same crowd that thinks Warner and Favre's longevity are the norm in the NFL.:rolleyes:
Even if Cassel only plays until he's 34, that's 7 freaking years from now. Come up with a worthy argument for a change. I like Sanchez, but your douchiness is almost making me hope he turns out to be a piece of shit.

SAUTO 10-19-2009 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6187570)
Who's the tool now, tool?

Get bent over your excuse-making for Mark Castle; by the time he and Sanchez are on the "same level", it'll be time for Mark Castle to retire. And isn't that swell?
Sanchez is a true rook on a winning team with a rook Head Coach; I'm sure he weeps nightly for your approval.
wow now 3_3 is a winning team?
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Just Passin' By 10-19-2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6187579)
When he has 4 to 6 seconds in the pocket after evading the rush, making an attempt would be quite the welcome change, yes.

See the Dallas game. Evade the rush, and then "uh...uh...looking...uh...(throw it away).
Take a chance for ****'s sake.
So you want him to take the stupidest possible approach with a defense that has been giving up yards as if they are candy on Halloween.

Brilliant.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-19-2009 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6187570)
Who's the tool now, tool?

Get bent over your excuse-making for Mark Castle; by the time he and Sanchez are on the "same level", it'll be time for Mark Castle to retire. And isn't that swell?
Sanchez is a true rook on a winning team with a rook Head Coach; I'm sure he weeps nightly for your approval.
You didn't bend anyone over on here. No excuse making either.... it is called observation and knowing a little about the game.

For the record, Sanchez will get better. Sanchez will be a decent QB, and Sanchez and Cassel will most likely be pretty much the same in their prime. Both good, not great.

They both have similar talent.

You better hope that Sanchez gets to Cassel's level sooner than when Cassel is going to retire.... because Cassel has another eight years at least in the league.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-19-2009 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 6187576)
This was his bounce back game after a bad game in Miami, and he was worse. He was trying to force things. Ryan said he thought of pulling him.

Hope New York doesn't ruin him, they'll be on him like white on rice in a styrofoam cup (edit) losing to the rival Fins and Bills.
The Jets aren't fooling anyone now. That is a big difference.

They have six weeks of Sanchez and this team on film. It will be interesting to see how they do from this point forward.

DaWolf 10-19-2009 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6187663)
The Jets aren't fooling anyone now. That is a big difference.

They have six weeks of Sanchez and this team on film. It will be interesting to see how they do from this point forward.
Outside of New England in November, they have a relatively favorable schedule until their final three games, two of which are at home. On paper, this team should be in the playoff hunt. If they're not, then Rexie has some explaining to do (and I shudder to think what New England will do to them in the rematch)...


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