I am just glad he is not white and we are comparing him to welker.

I remember when the patriots gave up a 2nd? for Welker. I thought they were so dumb.

And yet that is what he needs to be.

Yep. Still he could do so damage with the occasional snap at RB.

Whys he got to be Welker? Why can't he be a mix of Jackson/Harvin?

Why? he can be something better or different and still be fantastic.

I agree. COMPLETELY silly.

Sproles is probably the best comparison. McCluster's strength isn't straight line speed, like most backs and receivers. His strength is in his ability to stay low and make very sudden and sharp cuts and changes in speed and direction.

He's going to be electric if you can get him any kind of open field. And while I don't see him as a great pure slot receiver, I think he's a guy you'll see Weis move around a lot to take advantage of mismatches. And from that angle, I think he has quite a bit of potential.

Completely.

As a RB, his speed won't be utilized that well. As a slot receiver, you can get him the ball in space with short passes (cassel CAN do that) and he will make people miss

Sproles is much more stocky. I like mccluster hands. He is longer

Why? Damn KC didn't draft the greatest slot WR pretty much ever there....

Charlie Weis builds his offense around deception. For example, he likes to have a home run threat, but he doesn't like to dial up a home run play very often. He just likes to use the threat of that to keep defenses honest with the deep pass. Because the minute a defense cheats, he'll dial up a home run play.

Having a back in the backfield who can either run the ball or, if a defense wants to cheat against the run, motion him as a receiver is something very valuable for a Weis offense.

Completely agree there.

I'm talking about more of the way that he's used. Sproles plays a lot of third downs. McCluster, like Sproles, is an outstanding pass protector. Both can motion to the slot based on mismatch. Or both can be involved either in a run, screen, or an underneath route. He's going to shift based on where Weis sees the mismatch in personnel.

As a runner, McCluster has a bit more agility and he's pretty strong too. Had very impressive numbers on the benchpress.

I think people who bitch are only paying attention to his 40 time and his height and size. They don't see that he performed really well on the short combine drills and that he did well on the bench.

I hope he is used MUCH more as a receiver than Sproles. This team already has their speed back. I think he is a WR only

I don't think this is the case. I think you'll see him be involved in a lot more motions out to WR, but he'll run the ball less than Sproles did. I also think he's their guy for a lot of their passing downs.

I don't think the Chiefs want him as a receiver, as much as they like the flexibility to move him around from the backfield based on mismatches. If a team wants to load up on the pass, I see Weis dialing up a run play. That's just the way his offense works. It's all about mismatch and deception.

This has to be the case they didnt draft him 36 to be 3rd on the RB depth chart. I know you all think Pioli is a dumbass right now, but he's not that stupid.

He's going to be a WR and he's going to play alot, because this is a ****ing pass happy league. Charles doesnt need a fullback alot of the times because we will be throwing out of the shotgun alot.

ITs going to be fun to see what Weiss can do with these guys.

The Sproles comparison is amusing since man around here were all over the prospect of acquiring him this offseason.

He's ****ing Dante Hall with much less speed and much more natural ability as a pass catcher.

Myself included.

And the compensation probably would have been the Chiefs' second round pick and they were willing to give it, and nobody would have complained.

I don't know why all of a sudden when the Chiefs bring in a guy with a similar profile to do a lot of the same things, all of a sudden they throw a shit fit.

The list of people willing to part with a 2nd for ANY HB was pretty ****ing short...

For Sproles? That was the tender San Diego was asking for and most people seemed willing to do it. He gives you a returner, a 3rd down back, a passing down back, and a 4-receiver set option. Much of the same stuff McCluster does.

And most of us would have passed...

That's great to know.

Given that almost nobody outside of KC is saying this was a reach.

And given that Philly, a team that clearly has no idea how to draft players, wanted him too.

What part of THEY HAVE 30 LESS ****ING NEEDS AS A TEAM do you not get?...

And why are you so obsessed with a needs-based draft? Was this team ever going to be in a position to make a Super Bowl this year? No. So who cares if maybe their interior run defense looks soft in a year when they weren't a contender anyway. Get them either this year or next year, but don't forcefit just to fill a need. We'll likely have a more open free agent market and another year to draft. And the truth is, in these rounds, more than 2/3 of these players are never going to be any better than role players anyway.

I wanted Jimmy Clausen too and while I'm upset about not taking him, there has to be something up if he's passed up almost 50 times. But that's a backup over a starter, because he has PLAYMAKER CAPABILITY.

For as much shit as we're giving for the McCluster and the Moeaki pick, do they both make a Charlie Weis offense better? If they are as advertised, they will be significant contributors.

lol. Everyone outside of Chiefsplanet seems to love the pick for the Chiefs. I dont knwo how he will do. I Understand what the Chiefs are wanting to do with him and he can in theory make us a dangerous team. So i will see how it pans out.

You know though. Chiefsplanet knows more about football then anyplace else. Doesnt matter if your job is scouting players, if your job is watching NFL/College players. Chiefsplanet, the place where fans know more then NFL GM's and scouts.

Really?

Dante Hall was 4.41

McCluster was 4.4 during his pro-day workout in Oxford.

Ok, here it is:

We wanted a playmaker on offense. I can see that. I agreed. Hell, I was begging to draft one at WR.

We didn't. We took a guy who's a solid pass catching HB that we HOPE can make the transition to WR with 2A.

Really? With all the talent sitting there we think a HB moved to Wide ****ing reciever is the best move!?!

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Oh no, not done.


The Moeaki pick isn't stupid on just the the basic common sense level that he's NEVER ****ING HEALHTY. Nein.

****ING NEIN. That's not enough stupid. WE PACK IT ALL IN THIS DRAFT. Come to find out he's also super undersized and can't block for $3it! WE JUST DRAFTED A TE THAT CAN'T BLOCK FOR A BALL-HUGGING QB THAT LOVES TO TAKE SACKS! And that's his UPSIDE!


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Better, this draft does it get.

We draft a corner, much like our last corner, smart and ready to learn...

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McCluster ran a 4.58 at the combine

Yes, at the Combine in Feb.

However, his Pro Day workout at Ole Miss was 4.4 in March.

I'd point out 4 reasons why you shouldn't believe that number but it's just counter-productive.

He's a Chief now.

Long live the king...

Well, then I'll point out 4 reasons why you should believe that number.

1. Lance Long and Bobby Wade screens from the WR spot. When that happened, the Chiefs constantly lost yardage becuase of those two shits couldn't even make people miss.

2. Lack of playmakers in the offense, other than Jamal Charles. God knows this offense need some playmakers in a bad way.

3. Don't have to watch Bobby Wade trying to return kicks/punts.

4. What happens if for some reason, Thomas Jones finally hit that age wall? Then you want to hand the ball to Kolby Smith? Javarris Williams? Hell, even Tim Castille?

**** no.

Long live the Queen.

They were the most purple turd from the Turkey. True 'dat. Their suck doesn't improve his speed.

Not seeing the argument here.

Agreed.

He's a playmaker.

WTF did Charles stop returning kicks?

I know he wasn't perfect and he was the starter but...damn...it's ALL YOU HAVE.

That's why I thought taking a phat-back in the late rounds might be a good idea...

Then I guess you are content with seeing Bobby Wade and Lance Long continue to lose yardage, becuase they could not make defenders miss? Fair enough.

Thank you. That's what the offense is missing, other than Charles. The Chiefs NEED playmakers.

But at the same time, do you really want to overwork Charles? It's nice to have somebody else, other than Charles at times, to do the kick return duties that isn't Bobby Wade.

Try kicking off to Charles or McCluster. Pick your poison. And I don't think Charles ACTUALLY returned a punt. Don't know why, but I don't think punt returning is his natural thing. Usually, it's Bobby Wade or somebody else doing that, and they sucked HARD.

Sure, and nothing wrong with that, but it's nice to have an option on a player who can do some serious damage if somebody misses him on the open field, and has the game-breaking ability that the Chiefs sorely lacked on the slot position.

Thing is though, I'm glad the Chiefs didn't pick any projects. They seemed to do that alot in the 2nd round. Too many of them flamed out in our own very eyes. See Bartee, Savaii, etc.

Take what you have, use them the best you can, and win the ****ing game.

THE END.

I don't want to hear this next season or rebuilding or we're saving this guy for.....**** you, WIN THE GAME.

EVERY WEEK.


Definitely.

I just threw out the idea that we might spend a late pick on a phat-back. We didn't, we tossed an early pick at a hopeful playmaker.

I can't fault them for that either. I really can't fault them for that when I'm not at all sure what it is our new OC is even trying to build.

Hell, guy's only been on the job for 3 or 4 months and 0 games...

This. :shake:

Then you run the risk of wearing out Charles, as the same thing happened under Dante, when his responsibilities grew as a slot receiver, his return game declined becuase of it. If the Chiefs gave Charles more work, he would get tired out at the end of the season, and possibly injure himself, as he is somewhat a liability on that.

Remember Devin Hester, the CB turned into a WR/KO/PR for the Bears, after one successful season as a KR/PR, the Bears expaned his role as a WR, and his return game declined becuase of it.

So why not add more, and use them the best you can and win the game as well?

I'm not going to say next season or rebuilding, becuase I ain't gonna do that.

Well, at least give credit due, that they didn't pick a Joe Somebody, a FB, from Notworthashitcollege in the 2nd round.

he had the exact same YPC in Miami as he had in NE.

NO difference.

His amount of catches (as well as targets) went up because he was properly evaluated and matched with a real quarterback to get him the ball.
You are one of my favorite posters, but I remember you claiming to no end that all combine times have .15 added to them because of the track when you were backing Taylor Mays...now that you are taking the opposite side of the argument, that changed evidently?

I dont see how anyone can watch the guy play and think he has any speed issues.

What red flags are you talking about?

Philly was gonna take him right after us and they have done a great job of evaluating guys like him.

Deshaun Jackson, Maclin, Shady...
"too stupid"

funny that you had a post earlier in this thread talking about how you dont like how someone is condescending towards other posters...then a few pages later you shit out this post.

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You know what I want to see?

The reactions to the pick if we take Cody at 2a...I can almost guarantee you that it would be something like this...

"look at the fat pos we got when a team that knows what the **** is up takes a ****ING PLAYMAKER right after us"

I also think its ****ing hilarious that all the same posters that participated in that "gauge your level of draft anger if ______was picked at 5 if we passed on Berry" and claimed that they would be ecstatic with Spiller, evidently hate the Dexter pick at 2a...that just doesn't make much sense.

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You know what else I want to see?

Our reactions to the pick if we liked Cassel and didn't value Clausen so highly...

...

Anyone that says that Moeaki cant block hasn't watched a single Iowa game. Not one.

Moeaki finds the open spot in the zones, runs good routes, has glue for hands, is a leader, plays big in big games, is clutch as a MFer, is not only willing but VERY effective in the run game as a edge blocker, the guy would be a borderline first-mid second if he had a good injury history.

I can guarantee you all that this kid will be a favorite on the board if he can stay healthy.

Philadelphia would have taken MCCluster at 37.

it is hilarious that our guru gang was so pissed off yesterday...

after I did some research I REALLY liked our 2nd round picks...and after I saw Clausen fall to 48 it was clear that NFL personnel didn't have him rated highly as a prospect.

with our wanna be Kipers, if the Cheifs don't pick exactly who they want, it's a terrible pick.

Don't worry, we got some high character guys that have skills.


At least we can watch their progress and be proud of things when we start winning again.

The reality is that the 'geniuses' in here are blasting the pick and will continue to blast the pick because it shows just how little the know about the draft. Had any of them been smart enough to even mention McCluster, they would all be talking about what a player he will be in the Wes Welker mode. These guys didn't even know who he was.

I see that some are saying he is a project. Funny stuff really. He has been doing what he will be asked to do for a few years. Frankly, he carried the offense for the last few years. He will step right in.

Everyone talks about how this pick is to make Cassel look good. The Pats didn't add Wes Welker for Cassel, they added him for Tom Brady. And, for those that don't know.... that is when the offense really took off. And, I realize that Moss is there too.... so it was a combination, but no one can argue that Wes Welker doesn't make a huge impact.

Anyways, of course the 'experts' are going to bash it because no one can claim they were right... and we all know how important that is around here.

How ****ing difficult is it to understand that you should be finding starters, full time players, in the second round, not part time specialty players.

Dexter McCluster is a hell of a player.
He's a guy that can make some game breaking plays.

But he's a part time player drafted in the second round on a team that has more holes than you have brains.

Okay, bad analogy.

One hole is more.

Dexter McCluster has been talked about around here.

He's a part time ****ing player you dumb****.

We needed playmakers badly, and boy did we get some.

I am afraid a lot of people suffered from tunnel vision on this board. I could definately be classified as one of those people. About every position needed to upgraded, so the Chiefs picked the best available player.


Isn't that what most of them preached?

dude...

hamas took Clausen #1 overall and Bruce Campbell in the 1st round...

These know-it-alls don't know anything more than anyone who even casually follows the draft...

they latch on to whatever they've cherrypicked over the last few months and then whenever something doesn't go their way they spend the next four months bitching about it...

seriously...

mecca and hamas left the board for an extended period after the draft last year because everyone was tired of their bitching...

well look what happened...

they are doing it all over again!

they are little ****ing crybaby bitches that ruin draft weekend every ****ing year

well I think McCluster and Arenas are going to be great players who make tremendous impact for the Chiefs next year.

and so does everyone else...not named Hamas/Mecca or one of their lackeys...

but like I said...

hamas and his draft track record aren't exactly something to look up to...and mecca spends every draft weekend every year incorrectly guessing every teams pick in the main thread...

those guys don't know anything...as evidenced by their posts every single year

I was never once happy about the Tyson Jackson pick...

but I didn't let it ruin my life like you ****ing idiots...

can you please disappear for two months after the draft like last year? Or is your jobless, 29 year old live at mom and dad's life too depressing where you need ChiefsPlanet to feel important?

How do you feel about Tyson Jackson, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel, Donald Washington, Colin Brown and that useless TE drafted late last year?

How about the guys they picked up later, like O'Callaghan, Long, Wade, etc, etc.

Tell me one thing that Pioli did last year that has proven those guys wrong.

Hell, after we traded for Cassel, I watched every Patriot replay on the NFLN to find positives about that guy, and talked about it a lot, because I wanted to try to have a more positive outlook.

The fact is, to this point, almost every decision that Pioli has made has been absolute crap.

I don't mind the McCluster pick at all but I absolutely do not like the Arenas or the stupid TE we traded a pick for. We need LB's and a NT which was supposed to be the strength of the draft and our obvious need and we ignored both of them. It really has been a disaster.

it's QUITE clear we drafted McCluster to play him in a Wes Welker role...

I don't know how you people haven't gotten that yet...

They didn't draft him to be a role player...they drafted him to be a starter...and they drafted him to be the possession receiver that opens things up for Bowe and Chambers down the field...

They drafted him to get something out of Matt Cassel.

They didn't necessarily draft him to do anything in the return game...as evidenced by the Arenas pick...

We got 3 absolute playmakers with game changing ability with our first 3 picks...

after I got over the fact we didn't want Clausen and really looked at these picks...

they made perfect sense and we had a great freaking day...

but I'll let you dumbasses continue to bitch and moan about not taking a two down player or a guy that was passed on 47 times by QB needy teams...

the best thing will be when these guys are starting day 1 and making plays day 1 and every little thing that they may do wrong will be pointed out by hamas and mecca and they'll be like "omg see!"

and if they do break out and have amazing ****ing seasons they'll be like...

"well that doesn't change the fact they were reaches! Blah! BLAH BLAH! We suck each other off!"

I am totally, 100% stoked about McCluster and Arenas...

Two dynamic playmakers with great football ability and they make our team significantly better...

you guys can keep crying...

and keep referencing the 2009 draft...

but the fact of the matter is...the tape on the guys we drafted is MUCH more impressive than what we had last year with Tyson Jackson, Alex Magee and the project pick of Donald Washington (who the drafturbators seemed to like when he was drafted last year)...

I am very happy with this draft...and so is every non-Chiefs planet draft guru!

We get it.

The McCluster pick, in an of itself, wouldn't be that bitch worthy.

It's the combination of McCluster, Arenas, and trading up for the next IR warrior that pisses me off.

We need starters, and we selected part time players and an injury prone TE.

I disliked about every move he made in year one, but the exact opposite is true about his moves this year so far.

Thomas Jones
Charlie Weis
Romeo Crennel
Eric Berry
Jon Asamough
Ryan Lilja
Casey Weigman

I just think some of us (not you, I know) fell in love with the idea that we would realistically look at Clausen and that trumped everything else and we were let down when he wasn't the pick...especially in the second round. I like the McCluster pick, just not at the expense of taking a top qb talent.

I wish the rumors never got started in the first place.

so far...

I think we've drafted 5 starters.

No we haven't.

Dexter McCluster might be a part time Wes Welker, but he's smaller and will have to used a lot more sparingly than Welker in rder to hold up physically.

Arenas will be a nickelback, at best.

Asomoah is a damn good pick and evry well could be an anchor at RG for 12-15 years.

Moeaki could be a starter if he can stay on the field, but that's questionable.

Golden Tate > Dexter McBust

You're crazy Hootie. We got 2 at most and I like the McCluster pick. He is the almost exactly the same size as Welker.

I think Carr will beat out Arenas initially but will be starting by the end of the year. I agree though. Through five picks, we have five new starters.
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McCluster is about 20 lbs lighter.

13lbs rounds up to 20 in your mind? Explains a lot.

And, McCluster is coming out of college.... most guys add a little weight... just to let you know.

that desean jackson sure can't play in the NFL! he's too light!

Welker is listed at 190.
McCluster is listed at 172.

That's 18 lbs

Learning math would be a sensible thing to do.

Wes Welker

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...W/WelkWe00.htm

Dexter McCluster

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010RB.php

4th on the page.

Owned.

NFL.com and ESPN.com list him at 185...

and apparently CBS

and apparently yahoo

Complaining about a draft pick will make you look smart most of the time considering the success rate of most players. It does not make the crybabies any less annoying

I looked high and low, and I don't see anywhere that he is listed at 190.

Well, I go with the weight reported in NFL.com for both players, that way, I know they are consistent.

But, I know you want to make it seem as big of a difference as possible..... so, there you go.

Apparently, I didn't look at the one website that reported him at 190. Sorry. I just googled it and put in all the websites that it returned.