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But apparently, while they seem to win the draft each year, their QB evaluation has been the only roadblock to the Super Bowl. Regardless of why they haven't been to the Super Bowl, they haven't been to the Super Bowl. |
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While these may look like luxury picks... they are guys that are special. Not just bodies to fill the roster and guys that make an impact as soon as they get on the field. I think the Chiefs played the draft perfectly. |
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No one is suggesting that the Chiefs are a playoff team in 2011, let alone, 2010. This team has a long, long way to go before they're consistently competing in the playoffs, regardless of whether or not Pioli's the GM or not. |
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Whether they, and apparently you, care to admit it or not, they don't know what the hell they're talking about. All the bitching about offensive linemen not getting drafted by the Chiefs last year should have made that abundantly clear when those same O-linemen accomplished essentially nothing on the field. Instead, those same ass clowns who ignore that lack of production from the offensive linemen rookies go bashing on the Chiefs because the rookies Pioli chose didn't all become Pro Bowlers in their first year. |
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Seriously... are you stupid? IT IS A POPULARITY CONTEST...THAT'S ALL IT WOULD BE... Is that so tough to understand? |
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The fact is, had we drafted him you guys would be dissing the pick because you're NEVER, EVER content with anything the front office and coaching staff do. You guys just *****ing whine like a teenage girl with a bad haircut. It's the same shit with you guys every year. It gets ****ing old. |
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That group generally was expecting 4-12, 8-8, then a playoff run. If you're backing down from that, fine. But make sure you explain why you're doing so. My guess is because Scott Pioli hasn't done his job to the level he was expected. |
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I expect this shit from Hootie, but you're better than this. |
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I'm in a popularity contest with myself. You're ****ing pathetic. |
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Go ahead and start the poll and if you lose will you actually leave this time? |
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If you named 8-10 guys in an earlier post, I didn't see it. My apologies. |
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I think he is focusing towards building a better culture in the locker room and at the same time he is adding players with playmaking ability. Thats impressive right there. *As far as the luxury picks go, I don't exactly think of those picks as luxury picks mainly because I feel both McCluster and Arenas will provide versatility to this team and will improve this team in more ways than one. |
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Walter Football...ROFL whoever runs that site is more pathetic than mecca...and mecca is like 30, has never had a job, and lives at home |
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I was just accused of seing no value in the Asomoah pick, when I've done nothing but praise the pick all ****ing weekend. Forgive me if I get pissed off when people sling bullshit - that they KNOW goes against what is posted here in black and white - just to troll. |
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You should know me much better by now. If I'm out to make a point, I'll make a point. I bypassed this in favor of answering your other question because it's kind of silly and pointless to compare both rosters, man by man. And in all honesty, I think the Chiefs have better coordinators and more talent on the whole than Detroit, outside of the QB position and the WR position. The Chiefs could easily win six this year. If the ball rolls their way, they could conceivably win eight. Now, there's virtually no chance they make the playoffs but if their personnel decisions are even 50% correct (TJ, Weignman, Lilja along with the draft), I find it very difficult to argue that this team isn't dramatically improved. They're not improved enough to challenge for the division title or a playoff spot, but they are improved. |
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Did you, or did you not expect a playoff run by Year Three when Pioli was hired? I'll gladly apologize if I'm wrong, but I recall you sharing a similar opinion to Me, Deez, Flopnuts, etc. |
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I've posted this list from the 2009 draft multiple times, and Hootie never responds to it:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/image...s/viewpost.gif Yeah.. Sanchez--Obviously a terrible pick Beanie Wells--Another awful pick Cody Brown--Hurt his wrist in PS, spent the year on IR Coye Francies--Had a Donald Washington-esque year for the Browns. Jasper Brinkley--Starting for the Vikings David Bruton--Played the whole year for the Broncos Cornelius Lewis--That's a bust of a pick, no doubt Gerald Cadogan--Not a good pick Mike Goodson--Drafted by Carolina. Spent the year behind Stewart and Williams. Rhett Bomar--Giants 3rd/4th string QB as a rookie. Developmental player, that's notbad. DeAngelo-Smith. Backup safety for the Lions Terrance Knighton--45 tackles and 1.5 sacks as a rookie for the Jags. Was actually drafted in the 3rd round, got him in the 6th. Josh Mauga--7th round LB. Bounced back and forth on the Jets' PS Roy Miller--yth round DT who had 27 tackles and 2 sacks as a rookie. Was actually drafted in the 3rd round. Kenny McKinley--WR drafted in the 5th by the Broncos I got in the 7th. Saw some KR and ST action as a n00b. Brandon Tate--6th round pick for me, 3rd in reality. It's a pick you take and put him on IR b/c of his knee injury his Sr. Year. It'll pay off down the road. Thomas Morestead--Punter for the Saints. They took him in the 5th, I got him in the 6th for the Pats. Cary Harris--last pick for the Pats. He was drafted by the Bills in the 6th round. Had two picks as a rookie. Don Carey-7th round pick who actually went in the 6th. Plays for the Jags. Developmental player who spent the year on IR. Camerron Morrah-6th round pick by me who went in the 7th. Played the whole year for the Seahawks, but didn't see much time behind John Carlson. Bradley Fletcher--6th round player I picked who actually went in the third. Finished with 3 starts and 23 tackles as a rookie Robert Brewster--7th rounder that I got for the next to last pick in the draft. He was drafted in the 3rd round by Dallas, and projects to be their RTOTF. Brandon Swain--DII player I took as MR. Irrelevant. Never amounted to anything. So sue me. So please, tell me how terrible that draft is. 2008: Gholston--Looking like a monumental bust Nicks--One of the best young guards in football Cliff Avril--3rd Round pick, 10.5 sacks and 7 FF in two years Thomas DeCoud--Starter for the Falcons. 68 Tackles, 3 picks, 2 sacks, 2 FF last year Matt Forte--Should have been the OROY. 4th round pick Jonathan Goff-- Took over as starting MLB for the Giants last year Tyvon Branch--2 year starter for the Raiders. 124 tackles last year as a safety Those were my picks in the first four Rounds of the 2008 draft. Every one hit but Gholston. So please, tell me I don't know anything about projecting players. |
Hamas embarrasses himself every year in that mock draft...
every year... I think it's so funny that those guys watch one or two college football games per week, dodge this point every time, and then claim they know something based off of what they've seen...and won't admit they simply cherrypick the information from scouting services found on the internet and then decide what they want to roll with, and what they don't want to roll with based off of whether they like the guy with the information or not. I'd be willing to bet Hamas didn't watch Bruce Campbell play more than two times...and that's being generous... as he was bashing Charlie Casserly for saying Campbell looked bad on tape...acting like Casserly (the ballsy GM who took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush and was with Washington when they raped New Orleans in that Ricky Williams deal) doesn't know anything... the dude took a late round OT before Anthony freaking Davis... he passed on Bradford for a guy that ended up going 48th overall...at #1... he took Vernon Gholston #1 overall because of his combine numbers... that dude just needs to shut the **** up and start doing damage control... Actually I'll go on... He told me Peyton Manning's 1st half INT in the 2006 AFC Championship game (a game the Colts ended up winning) was more devastating to his team that game then Tom Brady's season ending INT in that same game, in Colts territory, where a TD sends the Pats to the Super Bowl. This is something he said... He also said Brett Favre COULDN'T POSSIBLY be the best player on the Vikings because Peyton Manning is a better QB than Brett Favre and Brett Favre plays on the same team as Kevin Williams. I know, right? |
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I was wrong and have voiced my concerns ad nauseam on this forum for the better part of 14 months. So in short, I do not believe that by year three, they'll be a consistent playoff team. It would be awesome IF it happens but at this point in time, I think it's going to be difficult. I would love, however, to be wrong. |
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Some of us were championing Schwartz as the new HC of the Chiefs. He was hired at the same time as Pioli/Haley. Why is it silly to compare two teams that started over, both with next to nothing on their roster? I know that if I were trying to make the point that KC has done a better job over the past 15 months, I wouldn't want to compare the rosters either. This isn't a knock on you personally. You're my boy. But the overall tone of this place is EXACTLY like last year. Everyone hates the picks initially, (sans Berry and Asomoah) then begin to rationalize it because some pundits like it - instead of sticking to their opinion. It happened after the Cassel trade, it happened after last year's draft, and it happened this weekend. |
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you were blasting the McCluster and Arenas picks citing Gosselin's top 100...and conveniently ignoring the fact Moeaki was #48 and Asomoah was like #54... You cited a guy who gave us an A+ to prove your point on why our draft sucked. In other words... your and idiot |
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I even think last year as bad as this team was last year, they could've won 6 or 7 games. Only reason I say that, they blew 2 or 3 they should of won. And, if you think about it, lets say Charles started the whole season alone from game 1, I think just having him alone would of helped us win a couple of more games. LJ sucked so bad, and he was clearly a big reason why this team and offense was atrocious from the start. As soon as the Chiefs released him and Charles started, they were a bit of a different team. *I think they could win 7 this year. You're right not improved enough to challenge for a playoff spot. I think they will though once they improve the defense. |
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One of these days I'm going to have to look through the mocks to see how I've done picking players. I've honestly never bothered.
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The coward claims I know nothing about football. I simply asked him to poll the people. If I'm the football idiot he says I am, it shouldn't be an issue. You understand the concept of standing behind your claims, don't you Phil? You wouldn't make false accusations, just to troll the board, and then hide behind your keyboard when called on it, would you? I don't think you would, Phil, because you appear to have some integrity. I'm just asking him to be a man, and stand behind his comment. |
And in today's NFL it doesn't matter how devoid your roster is of talent. It's not a 5 year process anymore. It's from 1-3 tops in my humble opinion.
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Beanie Wells is a good, yet obvious pick. When you take a RB early, he better be good. Other than that...I see NOTHING that makes me think, "wow, I'd sure love to have that player on KC!" and 2008... you took Vernon Gholston #1 overall. ... Matt Forte is a dime a dozen back... Uh... Avril and Nicks...good picks. Congrats. |
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I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks... I form my own opinions based off of what I believe... I don't care what GoChiefs, or Dane, or Flopnuts, or Knowmo, or Vailpass, or Frazod, OR ANYONE thinks...if I agree with them it's because I honestly agree with them... I honestly think you're a want-to-be know-it-all who ends up knowing far less than he really knows and you keep proving it and proving it and proving it. Every time you click "Submit Reply"... |
OTW you are comparing apples to oranges my friend. This time last year the team didn't sign a guy like Chambers or Jones. Didn't draft anyone nearly as good as Berry or an impact player like McCluster. I'll even say there was no player this time last year that was good of a pick as Asmogah sp?
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3 years is a solid amount of time to build a team imo. Provided that a lot of things go your way. But it could take longer sometimes. It all depends Flop. |
The rest of my picks from '08
Jalen Parmele: Took over KR duty for the Ravens last year and averaged 31 yards per return (7th rounder) Kerry Brown: Busted Out (5th) Lance Leggett: Never Stuck (7th) King Dunlap: Philly's back up LT (6th) Kellen Davis: Red zone threat for the Bears caught 3 TDs last year. (6th) Brian Johnston: We all remember him (6th) That was the rest of my '08 |
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I've done nothing but PRAISE the Asomoah pick the entire ****ing weekend. How exactly am I ignoring his value? |
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whoever you cherrypick your information from drafts almost as good as Carl Peterson...nice job! |
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I'm sorry, but the specter of a dog shit QB looms large over this franchise, and I admit that it clouds my perception and potential optimism. |
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What I would like, however, is the coward to stand behind his statement. Shit like this has gone unchecked for too ****ing long. Put up, or shut up. |
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Branch would have led our team in tackles last year Goff is a starter on a really good front seven From 2009, Sanchez is going to be a franchise QB Beanie Wells went to Tampa who other people didn't think needed a RB. He wasn't an obvious pick I had no second rounders and yet got 3 players in the 6th round or later who were picked in the third, including Terrance Knighton, who was an all-rookie performer. That's not to mention guys like Brinkley or Harris, who would be perfect fits for this defense, or Thomas Morestead, who ruined the Super Bowl for your beloved Peyton. |
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We didn't. What's the point? |
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I guess this fan base has decided since it hasn't won a Super Bowl in 40 years, 5 more to making the playoffs is no big deal. That's not good enough for me. Not that my opinion means shit anyways. |
I think Sanchez is going to end up being a bust...didn't see anything I liked from him last year...that team did everything they could to protect the fact they had no confidence in that guy throwing passes...
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I would really like to avoid getting into a position by position analysis in this particular thread, but I'd take Albert over Backus, Waters/Asamoah over Barry Sims, and the turd I just cut over Gosder Cherilus. I think Delmas is a player but I'll take Berry every time. They play a 4-3, we play a 3-4 so the LB position is different, I'd take our running backs, CB's, etc. I think the Chiefs will be further along in the "process" (****, I hate the word) than the Lions in 2010 and 2011. Quote:
I form my opinions based on information I've gathered, whether it's from this site, SI, PFT, Playboy or Tube8.com. It's ALL me. Secondly, I put my ass so far out on the line each year that if I'm wrong, people either take shots at me, relinquish the fact that I'm right, or I have to fess up. Either way, I'm good. I'm not trying to change anyone's perception when I post and I'm not trying to gain popularity. This is the ONE place I can come and talk about the Chiefs freely, regardless of whether I'm right, wrong or indifferent because I'm basically on an island in SoCal. No one gives a shit about the Chiefs. It would be like if you were a die hard Dodgers fan living in St. Louis. Who would give a ****? Chiefsplanet will alway be comprised by a majority of fans that see no wrong with what their hometown does because it's their hometown team. I'm just a dude with an outsider's perspective. |
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And I understand the Super Bowl argument. But I'm saying that a team should be competing in the playoffs by the 3rd year, not making the Super Bowl. I didn't clarify that, and I should have. 5 years for a title is fine. But I don't expect a team to make the playoffs for the first time in a rebuild and win the Super Bowl in the same year. That's a tough thing to do. |
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Link a post in which you were thoroughly owned, and backed away with your tail between your legs. It doesn't take 5 years to build a playoff team from scratch. And it should take even less when the Executive of the Decade is the one pulling the strings. |
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he had a good game against Cincy...although it was basically all from the play-action pass and the fact they had the #1 rush offense in the NFL... The Colts game... They had them. HAD THEM but they wouldn't take the diapers off of Sanchez and they played to not let Sanchez **** up rather than take a shot at going to the Super Bowl. |
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You think Tony Romo is a HOF QB. Sorry if I don't genuflect at your alter. In MY opinion, two of our picks were amazingly good, one got us a playmaker even though there were playmakers available at positions of greater need, and one got us a KR that people are trying to convince me will be a decent NCB. Guess we'll find out in a few years. |
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This isn't about self definition. I know exactly where I stand among the people I know and have allowed into my personal life. This is about being slandered, and expecting people to stand by their statements. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. |
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While I'm happy today, 4/25/2010, it's possible that I'm as wrong as Tony "I just came in my sister again" Washington on 4/25/2013. |
I think Tony Romo is a HOF caliber QB...we'll see how it plays out...
Hamas said Tony Romo was among the worst QB's in the NFL. ... you guys... I know why I get to you so easily...it's because I'm always so much righter than you... Whether it's Romo, or Palmer, or Manning, or Brady... Sorry bra! |
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I lost my post count for some reason but don't really care why, because unlike you I actually have a life. |
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Also, I think the GM has to be a really good gun slinger. I think the GM needs to score a lot. Missing is no good. I think its pure hit and miss. If you're a bad team drafting in the top 5 two years in a row and you miss on those picks you are in deep trouble because it's those picks that are the differential makers that either set your team back or make your team go forward. Im part of that fanbase where I've been patient but just willing to hang in there from time to time. If it takes them 3 years great, if it takes them 5, Im cool with that too. As a fan, the most important thing Im always keeping in mind, is, progress. As long as my team is making strides thats what counts. Sometimes it takes long, sometimes it doesn't. But it's the patience that plays an integral role in that sense. The frustration kicks in when I see my team regressing....Herman *cough* Edwards *cough* |
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If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be looking for improvement this season, and not looking for hard win totals of any kind until next season. After all, your notion of the playoffs means that the Chiefs will have to get past some number of the following: Chargers Broncos Patriots Jets Ravens Steelers Bengals in order to get there. Out of those teams, do you really see any way that the Chiefs will so quickly overtake the talent on any of those rosters other than the Bengals, who were probably a fluke destined to miss the playoffs this year before Roethlisberger went clubbing? |
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I like the Texans next year... Lets see... Chargers Patriots Colts Ravens Texans Titans Those are my playoff teams. |
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I've never been banned in my 5 years here. Nor have I not honored a bet. What is it with people making shit up this evening? |
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the Colts are going to have a tough, tough schedule...
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