Mizzou Exit Fee: 12 Million

kU's buyout for Mangino(5mil) + Gill(6mil) + Perkins(2mil) + Ticket Scandal(3mil): 15 mil

4 losses this year means the program isn't on the rise, I guess.

DUDE QUIT CRYING ABOUT IT!!!!!

Do you judge the state of a program by one season?

How many years do you want to go back? Is Mizzou better than we were last year? Yes. Is Mizzou better than we were 3 years ago? Yes. Is Mizzou better than we were 10 years ago? Yes.

Do you judge the state of a program by 80 seasons?

Keep supporting all of your arguments with something that happened at a time irrelevantto what we're talking about.

I did not find the actual post/tweet...but I did find this post from another board that references Chip Brown saying the total payout for the two schools would be closer to 60 million, and that Chip Brown predicted a final exit fee of around 17 million per school. Take it for what it is worth:

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.a...144&forum_id=5

You are are just reflecting on having a good...season.

This will go down as one of Missouri's best seasons. Of course THIS season looks much better than recent history. Do you think it's uncommon for a BB program to have a great season every once and a while...and then return to where they were previously?

Rattle off 3-4 more <7 loss seasons...then I think you can start talking about how your program is ascending.

Congrats on a great season.

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Your concern for Mizzou basketball is appreciated.

In Saul's defense, most Mizzou fans do see the bball program as ascending because Quin Snyder took Mizzou to the lowest level of basketball hell. Mizzou is nowhere near the top, but they have come a long way from the horrible bottom Quin left us.

No....I don't judge a "program" by one "season."

How is Oklahoma's BB program looking? They were looking great a few years ago.

Saul, I think I know the statement to which you are referring. It's from memory but I believe Chip Brown originally stated "up to" 30mill per. Not that they would pay 30mil but he did say something very much like you stated.

I don't know where you're getting at here, but you're pretty much proving my point

I enjoy helping others.

I would say that they're descending. Wow, that was easy.

In '09 OU went 30-6. Do you think they were talking about their program ascending after that one season? I mean, it was their best record in recent history.... A sure sign on their program on the rise.

...This year they are, what, like 14-14?

My point is, don't judge the state of a program off of one great season....

If you don't like that response you can neg rep that too....

All I know is I'm glad Nebraska left. Not only did Osborne shit on the conference going out the door but now I get to watch every Nebraska game AND get to see them play KU again? (presumably) This is great.

Haha. Losers run.

Every "good program" starts with a "good season" based on facts of course, that or common sense.

Did I hurt your feelings?

Proceed to ASSume...

You mean the OU team that swept the K-State team that swept the Mizzou team...?

OH you mean that OU team that Mizzou swept?

Depends. Is that the same OU team that swept the KSU team that swept Mizzou? If so, yes.

This Oklahoma team is on the decline.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/...ntitled-26.jpg

Is that the same program who had a 30-6 season 3 years ago...?

Ouch.

Yes. They are pretty clearly on the decline.

Don't forget the million they are chipping in to pay for WVU to join the conference.

You are right.

Just a great season for an average program.

Whereas Mizzou went from a team that didn't even make the NIT under Snyder to a team that was a borderline tournament team in the early Anderson years to a team that had been to 7 straight tournaments by the end of Anderson's tenure to a team that is worried about whether or not it will get a 1 seed, not whether or not it will get into the tournament.

Doesn't make Mizzou a great basketball program, but it is certainly ascending and has been for a period of several years.

Fair enough.

Mizzou, A&M to pay $12.4M each to exit Big 12

How can we make this about KU?!?!

LMAO

It's 12 million....whoop...let's move on here. I'm glad we didn't have to go thru some protracted public pissing match.

We're gone....let's move on.

Arrogant KU fan is arrogant.

Probably because KU fans came in here pulling the normal BS. I mean really, arguing if our program is on the rise???? To be honest why would we give two shits what KU fans think of the program.

You're just too cool to discuss sports here...

Hey, providing data isn't fair.

Definitely not with you. I am so sick of you telling us how we should feel or think of our program. We are having a good year and enjoying it, I sure as **** don't need KU fans to tell me how good we are or what shape the program is in.

If we're not being nice to the little terrorist we're:

a.)butthurt/whining/crying/jealous
b.)Too good for them/which leads them posting non-relative historical data.
c.)Douchebags/Thugs/Arrogant/Troll/Ballsack
d.) All of the Above

So the system is pretty much set up to where there's no way you can win against it.

I thought it wasn't about the money?

So, hypothetically, if the B1G decided they wanted to expand and wanted Notre Dame, Missouri, Kansas and some 4th team, it wouldn't tempt Ole Mizzou in the slightest? A renegotiated (and already successful) B1G Network with its academic bonuses to boot in a region that fits better geographically? Not saying it will happen, of course, but Mizzou wouldn't even consider that?

Are you kidding?


**** NO!

The B1G brand is on a rapid decline and they already missed their chance.

We're now proud members of the SEC.

Yes, I remember when you substituted "SEC" with "Big XII" once too.

School's with big ticket demand have ticket scandals. Whatcha gonna do?

:shrug:

You mean before your daddies Bevo and boomer sooner flirted with the PAC10?

link?

KU makes more money third tier than any other school in the conference except for Texas.

What makes those schools KU's "daddy"?

Texas has 10x the population of the state of Kansas. Yet KU enjoys the 2nd largest endowment and 2nd largest 3rd tier rights deal in the conference.

I love this argument from MU fans.

Just because your school hasn't shared the same success as KU on the field...don't make it about us.

Well, Wickeddumbass, Do you think the Bevo12 could survive if Texas and oklahoma just left one of these years after taking there annual love affair vacation with the pac10 leaders one step further?

mizzou can kiss my white ass! Big 12 will strive while mizzou are bottom dwellers in the sec.

:doh!:

Golly.

I didn't realize I got to you that much. Most posters have thicker skin than that.. I apologize for over-looking you.

Dr. Tom gummed the hell out of Bevo.

What is the Bevo12?

I don't understand these arguments.

Just because you guys don't win don't try and make it like Texas runs show. They don't. They have the most money because they are the largest brand and the flagship university of the country's 2nd most populous state.

In the Big12 you build your own brand. Here we have schools that go out on their own and achieve on the field and financially.

Just because these schools don't hide under the umbrella of a conference doesn't make them any worse off.

KU wouldn't be allowed to make the kinds of millions they make in the SEC when it comes to third tier rights. Just another reason why this conference is the best fit for Kansas.

You sure do love those third tier rights...KU sure does love cashing that check from Texas for putting their football game on the Longhorn Network I suppose.

If Texas and Oklahoma left tomorrow would the Big12 continue to live on?

More importantly...how would that effect KU's third tier rights money? :thumb:

It wouldn't be the same of course not.

If Alabama and Florida left the S.E.C... If Ohio State and Michigan left the Big 10, if USC and UCLA left the PAC12

None of those scenarios would be good for the respective conferences.

Texas is not shipping all their sports teams to Washington and Oregon. Only desperate schools end up traveling their teams to extreme regions. Traditional powers stay where they've always been.

That is a pretty delusional "take". Look on the bright side the Missouri Valley and thier "rich baskeball tradition" awaits.

OK. I'll be holding my breath.

One of these things is not like the other... one of these things just doesn't belong...

When have Alabama and Florida or Ohio State and Michigan EVER publicly and openly flirted with conference change?

Oklahoma would be in the PAC already if they'd take OU without UT.

UT has been in discussion with the Big Ten (before any discussion of Missouri or Nebraska to the B1G ever happened), the PAC and the ACC. The only thing holding them back at this point is the LHN. You better hope it starts breaking even, because if they dump it, good luck keeping 'em around. (Same thing with keeping them around if it becomes a big success).

Your comparison fails because Oklahoma and Texas have engaged in behavior that none of those others have. OU and UT are flight risks. They're the high-rolling drug dealers with offshores account who can get out whenever they want. That's why the Big 12 needed to make their "bail" so excessive.

Alabama, Florida, Michigan, and Ohio State are the pillars of the community who pose no flight risk at all and are released to their own recognizance.

It wouldn't

Tier-3

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="383"><tbody><tr><td height="20" width="64" align="right">1</td> <td width="199">University of North Carolina</td> <td width="120">$11,171,458.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">2</td> <td width="199">University of Alabama</td> <td>$8,444,674.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">3</td> <td width="199">University of Kentucky</td> <td>$7,743,327.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">4</td> <td width="199">University of Florida</td> <td>$7,450,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">5</td> <td width="199">University of Kansas</td> <td>$7,276,988.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">6</td> <td width="199">Louisiana State University</td> <td>$7,012,730.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">7</td> <td width="199">Oklahoma State University</td> <td>$6,395,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">8</td> <td width="199">University of Tennessee</td> <td>$6,293,621.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">9</td> <td width="199">Oregon State University</td> <td>$6,267,671.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">10</td> <td width="199">University of Georgia</td> <td>$6,231,392.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">11</td> <td width="199">University of Wisconsin</td> <td>$5,547,740.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">12</td> <td width="199"> Auburn University


</td> <td>$4,637,605.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">13</td> <td width="199">University of Nebraska</td> <td>$4,393,529.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">14</td> <td width="199">University of Missouri</td> <td>$4,081,549.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">15</td> <td width="199">Virginia Tech</td> <td>$3,769,583.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">16</td> <td width="199">Kansas State University</td> <td>$3,263,941.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">17</td> <td width="199">Iowa State University</td> <td>$2,608,896.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">18</td> <td width="199">North Carolina State University</td> <td>$2,470,750.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">19</td> <td width="199">Penn State University</td> <td>$2,362,500.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">20</td> <td width="199">Ohio State University</td> <td>$2,329,462.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">21</td> <td width="199">University of South Carolina</td> <td>$1,829,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">22</td> <td width="199">University of Connecticut</td> <td>$1,749,796.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">23</td> <td width="199">University of Louisville</td> <td>$1,675,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">24</td> <td width="199">University of Mississippi</td> <td>$1,658,650.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">25</td> <td width="199">University of Iowa</td> <td>$1,500,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">26</td> <td width="199">Georgia Tech</td> <td>$1,254,876.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">27</td> <td width="199">University of Washington</td> <td>$1,248,599.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">28</td> <td width="199"> University of Illinois


</td> <td>$1,175,065.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">29</td> <td width="199">University of Cincinnati</td> <td>$1,000,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">30</td> <td width="199">University of Arkansas</td> <td>$950,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">31</td> <td width="199">Clemson University</td> <td>$920,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">32</td> <td width="199">Michigan State University</td> <td>$660,025.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">33</td> <td width="199">University of South Florida</td> <td>$588,298.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">34</td> <td width="199">Washington State University</td> <td>$562,098.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">35</td> <td width="199">West Virginia University</td> <td>$404,284.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">36</td> <td width="199">Florida State University</td> <td>$349,869.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">37</td> <td width="199">University of Texas</td> <td>$338,171.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">38</td> <td width="199">University of Minnesota</td> <td>$324,000.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">39</td> <td width="199">University of Oklahoma</td> <td>$317,361.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">40</td> <td width="199">University of Colorado</td> <td>$155,528.00</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="20" align="right">41</td> <td width="199">University of Oregon</td> <td>$108,452.00</td></tr></tbody></table>

The difference is none of those others schools tried to leave multiple times in the last 2-3 years.

There is a reason why Colorado, Nebraska, A&M and then MU left.

IMVHO if Texas and Oklahoma left like they almost did 6 months ago the Big12 would cease to exist and KU would be in the MAC

I dunno. KU was in "discussions" to join the BIG 10 as far back as 93. Sometimes things you hear as discussions are just that. I can "discuss" going to the moon, doesn't mean its going to happen.

Fact remains that big time collegiate powers like UT and OU don't go play in far away conferences. People come to them. They've both been asked to join the S.E.C. In the past as well. I don't see why you guys don't get this.

Maybe its just your loathing for KU and the desire to see them waving in the wind that is getting in the way of seeing how these things really happen.

Something tells me the school that holds the NCAA Division 1 record for combined football and basketball victories in a single season won't be playing in the MAC, lol.

This kid is a glutton for punishment ROFL

I honestly don't know where you would end up. Hopefully for you guys and KSU and ISU the Big12 stays intact.

First, I'll mention that if/when the Big 12 collapses, I'd expect KU to land in either the B1G or the ACC. So it's not "desire to see them waving" ...

If there's anyone who has tunnel vision on this, it's you.

Second, if UT and OU leave the Big 12-2-2+2, it will be to the PAC, and they likely will take a few schools with them. They would end up in a division that is much more regional than the PAC as a whole. Arizona, Arizona St., Colorado, UT, OU, oSu, Tech, Kansas all are possibilities.

Third, the ultimate thing is... the Big 12-2-2+2 is a house built on sinking sand. It might stand for 2 months, 2 years or 2 decades. But it's built on a central support beam - Texas - that is incredibly shaky and has proven it places no level of care in ensuring this conference survives.

Attempts to shore up the foundation of the league - granting of TV rights to the league long-term, etc. - were not received.

So Missouri left early because it had an opportunity from the most stable, lucrative conference rather than risk being stuck in the situation it looked like Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor were going to face during the first round of realignment.

You mean all this time Wickedson has been spouting off about Tier 3 dollars, and the difference between KU and MU is only 3 milllion?

Wickedson made the Tier 3 sound like the Holy Grail of tv money.

I don't know what that list is. KU has around a $90 million dollar 3rd tier deal in place with IMG. I'm not sure what MU has. Do you know what it is?

When the Big 12 breaks up I'm PM you. I wouldn't want you to miss it.

lol

Who's punishing me? The Big 12 is stronger now that the dregs of the league have left.

Final Fours and BCS victories showed up on our doorstep.

What can you do?

But I thought regular season titles meant everything, and the tourney was nothing but a crap shoot? You beaker fans sure are confusing....

That's victorY, douche, and you rode the biggest pussy schedule in the history of football to get there. LMAO

Never ceases to amaze me how you windowlickers continue to trumpet that shit to people who know the truth.

Again. Welcome Mizzou and TAMU!!!!!

I wasn't trying to be a smartass. geez. I like the Big12 and part of me wishes MU would have stayed.

KU is locked into a 12-year-deal for $86 million with IMG, which beaks out to about $7.2 million a year. I realize dropping the big total altogether makes it sound better (Kevin Kietzmann's specialty). It's a tremendous third-tier rights package - right now. By the end of the contract, a decade from now, it won't be as tremendous

Missouri's deal brings in a shade over $4 million currently, though I expect it will be set up a little differently moving forward.

The big payout is the eventual creation of the SEC network, which will lock up third-tier rights as well and significantly increase Mizzou's number for that margin.

Cool. Sounds like MU is doing alright in the finance department. Everyone seems happy.

I wasn't talking about KU dimwit.

On a local level I love having KU win 8STR8 titles. But I'm no fool. I know that the national perception is that the tourney decides history, not regular season Championships.

IMO the tourney is no crapshoot. KU has had many blunders in the tourney and it's not a good thing for the school.

However when you simply are there every single season in such a high ranking it's very difficult to no come up short from time to time.

One could argue that during Self's tenure that KU has come up short more than just "time to time."

I only mentioned it because KU fans seem to use both arguments whenever it suits them, and I find that humorous.

Sure you weren't. It's not like you haven't posted that 1,000 times or anything, you ****ing reerun.