Their secondary is probably better with Smith gone...

Expensive and overpriced are discrete entities.

The Dolphins used Smith off the LOS last year. They played against his strengths and shocking that he wasn't great.

GoChiefs forms his opinions from others opinions. That's what happens when you're 30 and still living at home. You can't think for your god damn self.

The only moves I'm meh on is Alex Smith and DeVito.

We'll just have to disagree here. Carr is a fine cb. I would have loved to keep him
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Yes, it's true I used PFF and Dolphins fans as research into Sean Smith's abilities.

I'm sure you watched every ****ing snap he played last year to form your opinion, eh there, sport?

**** off.

I think they overpaid for DeVito, but he did have a market.

Let's also face that this team sucked against the run for a while. This guy's calling card is run stuffing.

I think he's a solid player, but they need another body on the line.

You're right.
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As previously mentioned, Brandon Carr had 6 at the same stage in his career.

There are other parts of his game that deserve criticism.
He plays like a much smaller corner than he really is. He's not as physical as you'd imagine in run support. He's not a fluid hip-turner.

When he concentrates, there's no issue with his hands.
Lack of concentration is a significant issue. One I have no interest in arguing. It needs to change, BUT...if you can watch that clip and come away thinking he has stone hands, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Did he say that San Fran went to the AFC Championship?

I'm glad he has soft hands that DROP INTERCEPTIONS.

I'm glad you've reduced the cornerback position to how many passes you can pick off.
Where the hell is Mark McMillan when you need him?

all these deals are front loaded for spending this year and they can get out of most/all by year 2 or 3. the only deal that sucks is DeVito cause two of the years are garunteed and he sucks.

but if all these stop gap cheap farts arent cut or replaced by year three, then you roast the FO over hot coals like you did Scooter for the same crap. They will have these guys replaced by year 3 with young draft talent and you wont even remember or care about year 1 with dunta fartinson turd smith mike poopvito and all these other JAGS just keeping a seat warm

I haven't, dipshit. But the claim was made that he has good hands. He doesn't.

So went from being cheap to paying over market value.

Or was it market value?

That was a pre-season game. So again, he still hasn't made an extraordinary catch in his professional career that has counted.



I don't know how many targets Carr had last year, but Smith had the most targets in the NFL his way last year, and QB's didn't let up the other years either. He was a receiver in college, so I'm not surprised that he has the ability to catch, but he hasn't shown it in the nfl yet.

Unlike Pioili's assfarts, most of these guys are good players.

People were tripping over their own dicks praising Stanford Routt last offseason.

You're right. You actually drew a direct comparison between the quantity of interceptions and the quality of his hands.

So Brandon Carr's hands are trash too.

Much better.

I really don't give a shit, dude.

The bottom line: Sean Smith will probably blow most of his chances to grab an INT this year.

So, you're of the opinion that a 25 year old CB that has shown flashes of being well above average, can't be coached up and won't benefit from Flowers or Berry or better schemes?

Is that what you're saying?

ROFL

Yes, he has special exhibition game hands that he's not allowed to use during the regular season.

I'm saying he was the worst CB in the league in 2011, and will probably suck here. I expect multiple threads bitching about his performance this season.

People who routinely make bad arguments tend not to care about things like logic or sound philosophy.
I've done the research having been a straight man all my life.

I'm not saying you're wrong but I'd prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt before passing judgment.

So Bad Guy whats the latest news on free agency. Who are they gonna target next if anybody.

This guy pretty much sucks, but is thought to have a huge upside. I hope with our great DB coaches he can realize that upside.

Where was Brandon Carr ranked on PFF?

No, I never said that. But I am saying there's a significant difference in a pass from Mark freakin Brunell and Peyton Manning. And there's a difference between some 6th string WR trying to make the team not being able to make a play on the ball leading to a wide open INT and an actual NFL starting WR.

If anybody expects him to be doing that hardly even once a year then they're going to be severely disappointed.

Who cares?

Sean Smith drops interceptions.

Sean Smith gets burnt.

Sean Smith can't tackle.

These are all undeniable facts.

Why is this relevant? ROFL

Just a simple question.

Nevermind...found it kind of.

LMAO

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...terence-newman

I wonder if GoChiefs thinks Brandon Carr sucks....

I honestly didn't think you could make a worse argument than the previous one. Clearly I underestimated you.

Only interceptions from elite quarterbacks count now?
If you pick Mark Sanchez off, the Jets actually get to keep the ball.

My side hurts.
I can't.

Oh, that's cool.

Sean Smith still sucks.

lets not blow our wads yet, people loved *****'s fa signings and sucked the shit out of that hype juice until they had to eat their own crow and turn on him

tons of people on here thought peyton hillis and stanford routt were going to be saviors that took us back to the division crown and ran their mouths all offseason then had to hide when the season started cause of how awful those players were while trying to give them every excuse possible

If Mark Sanchez didn't suck, Sean Smith would have been burned for 2 more TDs last year.

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Had you lead with this argument, I probably wouldn't have given you any trouble about it.

Though I think a clarification is necessary. He can be burned, but that's usually only by smaller, speedy receivers. A bunch of good cornerbacks share that in common. I wouldn't call him a bad tackler, he's just not an exceptional or physical one. Not a "hit stick" type of guy despite looking the part.

I'm not talking about just because it was Brunell he picked off it doesn't matter. But it was a late 30's Brunell who couldn't throw a bullet pass to save his life, and it will be a bit harder to do that against a QB who throws a football harder than a pee wee player, don't you think?

Point is, he won't be doing that in the regular season, and he never has. And if you don't think a big reason he even did it was because it was pre-season to show himself to the coaches then I don't know what to tell you.

Got beaten by a nicely run stop and go and a solid double move.
We were talking about his hands though, no?
Oh...This is the part where we move the goalposts?

yea but he got beat by a crappy WR how is he going to hang with good ones

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Go Chiefs does Revis suck?

You realize that pass play wouldn't call for that kind of throw, no?

Yes, because the R2 pick of the Dolphins that year was in imminent danger of being cut in the fourth preseason game on their schedule.

He wasn't in danger if being cut, but he was battling a starting position with Jason Allen. He was definitely doing it to show off to the coaches and it worked.

He ended up losing his starting position back to Jason Allen a year later.

I led with that argument TWO WEEKS AGO. I've been ranting against this turd since it was mentioned that the Chiefs might sign him.

The only reason I even brought up the fact he drops interceptions like they're 500 degree rocks was because someone said he had good hands. Bullshit, he does.

This is good right? This is bad right?

I saw him play in person last season. I can tell you that fin fans wanted to keep him. Supposedly he's been steadily improving. I can tell you he has hands of stone because I personally saw him drop three picks and from what I hear he dropped a lot more but that means he was freaquently in position to pick off passes. My fin fans friends have said that this is a really good pick up for us. I'm happy with this and believe we may have just picked up an ascending player. Dudes got amazing size for a corner. When was the last time we were this active in FAcy. Very refreshing to not sit on our hands and wait till all the decent guys are gone before getting the cheapest guys left over. Love it.

Are you serious?

This is like comparing Alex Smith to Tom Brady.

Actually that's probably unfair to Alex Smith. He's probably a better player than Sean Smith, who is terrible, terrible, terrible.

No they didn't. A lot of them hated his guts.

Read this:

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/show...ign-Sean-Smith

I posted like 20 replies from Dolphin fans being relieved he was gone. They didn't want him back.

Sam Aiken just clowning Sean Smith.

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And i showed you Revis getting clowned whats your point?

That's not clowning, he made a great play.
Smith was in great position there.

The gifs you posted earlier were much better examples.

Sean Smith sucks. That's my point.

You will flip flop by week 6

HAHAH Asomougha is a pussy!!!

So Clay, does Brandon Carr suck? He was ranked pretty ****ing terribly on PFF also.

I can't even imagine what that would make Sean Smith. LMAO

I hope you understand that the opinion of fans has no meaning. For years, people in this forum bitched about Carr while people like me were defending him due to the play of Mike Brown, Jon McGraw and so on.

Fast forward to last year and the view was completely different.

The bottom line is that it's difficult to judge a player if the surrounding players aren't in place or at least, average.

Smith may excel in KC or he may not. But he's worth giving a shot.

Brandon Carr is good, but he got way too much money...and people still want to cry that we didn't re-sign him. Guarantee they don't make the moves we made this year (or re-sign Bowe) had they retained Carr.

The Dolphins had a pretty good defense.

Sean Smith was a weak point.

He had a bad year because he's not a #1 CB and that's what they wanted him to be.

Dolphins D 21 in 2012 that's pretty good?

Da ****.

Sean Smiths agents said he wasnt the player in the buolding last night and they never discussed contract until yesterday. Smith arrives in KC tommorow.

Also I didnt know hes a agent for former chief Brandon Siler.

***K clay, are you happy with ANYTHING this teams done so far... anything at all?

Who replaced Vontae Davis?

He'll say Andy Reid.

As I said earlier:

I like everything the Chiefs have done except the Smiths.

**** The Smiths.

Who was the #1 for Miami?

Yeah so he's bit on a few double moves, who the **** hasnt.

This is the worst argument I've ever heard. He was a #1 CB with us. It's not like Brandon Flowers was shadowing a team's best WR all around the field. They stuck to their sides, Flowers on the left, Carr on the right. 1a and 1b.

ROFL

He's bit on more than "a few."

He got abused in 2011.

Probably an ILB.

Over what?

Yes, and the Cowboys moved him all around the field.

He was better in KC just playing LCB.

Saying how Miller is a little bitch and makes shit up.

Brad Jones?

ROFL

IDK. Theres a few possibilities.