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J Diddy 03-24-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9527281)
Anyone stil think this is a relevant point that needs to be brought up every time these teams play each other?

Certainly. It's not like Roy was here for a season or two, he was here for over a decade. He was huge when he was here.

I'm still a little bitter about the way he left.

RealSNR 03-24-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9527249)
I'm pretty nervous about Michigan...

McLemore is going to have to man up and be an adult.

I don't want to destroy his confidence or anything, but I do wonder if having him come off the bench for a game wouldn't be the best thing.

The guy just has no confidence. He's not playing within himself. He's out of sync. Coming off the bench might get him to just focus on being a great contributor and a positive injection to the team instead of a star that the team really depends on.

J Diddy 03-24-2013 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapist (Post 9527377)
I don't want to destroy his confidence or anything, but I do wonder if having him come off the bench for a game wouldn't be the best thing.

The guy just has no confidence. He's not playing within himself. He's out of sync. Coming off the bench might get him to just focus on being a great contributor and a positive injection to the team instead of a star that the team really depends on.

I see McLemore and I see a guy who needs another year. I don't see the world domination and acts that elicit the ball stroking that the announcers give him. He disappears.

doomy3 03-24-2013 07:35 PM

Just got back from the game. What a great win. Releford and Withey were absolutely monsters. Great atmosphere, and Bill Self is a God.

Sat next to some Ole Miss fans and as we were leaving, they said that KU has the best fans they've ever experienced. Said they were literally blown away.

What a great day.

ReynardMuldrake 03-24-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapist (Post 9527377)
I don't want to destroy his confidence or anything, but I do wonder if having him come off the bench for a game wouldn't be the best thing.

The guy just has no confidence. He's not playing within himself. He's out of sync. Coming off the bench might get him to just focus on being a great contributor and a positive injection to the team instead of a star that the team really depends on.

I agree. The biggest problem on this team though, isn't Mclemore, it's turnovers. Specifically Elijah. If we can limit our turnovers, we can beat about anybody.

Pants 03-24-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9527391)
I see McLemore and I see a guy who needs another year. I don't see the world domination and acts that elicit the ball stroking that the announcers give him. He disappears.

:facepalm:

ReynardMuldrake 03-24-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9527426)
:facepalm:

I agree with J Diddy. I don't think Mclemore is mentally ready for the next level.

O.city 03-24-2013 07:51 PM

Stay in college and learn < go to the NBA and learn whilst making a shit ton of money and not having the fear of getting severely injured.

O.city 03-24-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 9527432)
I agree with J Diddy. I don't think Mclemore is mentally ready for the next level.

He may not be, but would you rather get mentally ready in college for free or learn in the league?

Mother****erJones 03-24-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 9527244)
KU put the beatdown on NC the second half, my goodness that was awesome.

Hardly a beatdown we just werent hitting shots all game. I like McLemore but man he's raw and needs another year or 2 in college. Way too passive to come out for the NBA

Bearcat 03-24-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9527394)
Just got back from the game. What a great win. Releford and Withey were absolutely monsters. Great atmosphere, and Bill Self is a God.

Sat next to some Ole Miss fans and as we were leaving, they said that KU has the best fans they've ever experienced. Said they were literally blown away.

What a great day.


:thumb:

We stuck around for the 2nd game, and it's been pretty entertaining... Ole Miss has a decent following (of course, UNC did, too).

ReynardMuldrake 03-24-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9527435)
He may not be, but would you rather get mentally ready in college for free or learn in the league?

It's not my decision to make, but if he has trouble with the college spotlight, you think he'll cope any better in the pros?

Some kids need more nurturing and encouragement then others. Then again, he could break out of his shell at the next level. Who knows.

Pants 03-24-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 9527432)
I agree with J Diddy. I don't think Mclemore is mentally ready for the next level.

Quite honestly, I think this is something only fans like to hypothesize about. Ben McLemore has immense talent and is going to be a top 5 pick.

There are 3 to 4 million reasons for Ben to go to the NBA.

O.city 03-24-2013 07:57 PM

If you are a top 5 projected pick, there is no reason whatsoever to come back to college. Yeah, he needs some work, but he can get that with a professional coaching staff.

Shogun 03-24-2013 08:07 PM

Hes also going to go to a shitload of NBA camps this summer and refine his game. He doesn't need to stay in college, what so ever.

Mr_Tomahawk 03-24-2013 08:09 PM

It'd be stupid for him to stay...

Go top 5 and be able to support your mom, or come back and risk injury...?

Please...shouldn't even be in discussion.

Lzen 03-24-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 9527237)
Why dont you and your Tarholes enjoy whats for dinner tonight?

ROFL

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Lzen 03-24-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9527281)
Anyone stil think this is a relevant point that needs to be brought up every time these teams play each other?

Nope. I'm actually sick of hearing that every time KU plays UNC.

Fairplay 03-24-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9527438)
Hardly a beatdown we just werent hitting shots all game. I like McLemore but man he's raw and needs another year or 2 in college. Way too passive to come out for the NBA



Beat down the second half, being the key word.

And yes the whole time I'm thinking McLemore should wait another year or two I agree.

Mother****erJones 03-24-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 9527489)
Beat down the second half, being the key word.

And yes the whole time I'm thinking McLemore should wait another year or two I agree.

We werent hitting shots, not that any team was shooting for shit. If these two teams were shooting for shit they wouldnt of gotten a whiff! lol

Good luck next week

Fairplay 03-24-2013 08:23 PM

I think it is very good KU has a tough tournament schedule. Win or GTFO is my thinking.

jjjayb 03-24-2013 08:50 PM

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EAT A BAG OF DICKS you putrid thin skinned piece of shit

Oh and it won't be if, KU will lose next weekend because they are a weak team this year.

How's it feel to lose to KU yet again?

ArrowheadHawk 03-24-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 9527562)
How's it feel to lose to KU yet again?

Boo to thumbnails. Post that shit big.
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Buehler445 03-24-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9527206)
im a tarheel fan. Yes, yes you did. Roy can recruit his ass off, but he is one of the worst in game managers...

Not IMO. Bill is much much more consistent. FFS, he's had 30 wins 6 of the last 7 seasons. That's astronomical. It seemed like, at least when Roy was in KU, he'd take a year off periodically. Probably still applicable with this year and the year he went to the NIT.

Big thing is Roy's teams are soft. Bill's teams typically can't put up points like Roy's teams, but they are ****ing tough.

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 9527432)
I agree with J Diddy. I don't think Mclemore is mentally ready for the next level.

Doesn't matter. NBA drafts on potential, unlike the NFL. McLemore has a ****assload of it. I quit thinking kids should stay when Julian Wright got drafted high after his soph year. He was awful. Couldn't shoot outside of 15 feet, had no strength and really not much for post moves. I thought there was no way he should go. But the fact is the NBA is different.

Mother****erJones 03-24-2013 09:20 PM

We had our starting 5 basically all go pro. Its gona happen. Our oldest player is a junior. Well be back with a big fist next year

Buehler445 03-24-2013 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9527657)
We had our starting 5 basically all go pro. Its gona happen. Our oldest player is a junior. Well be back with a big fist next year

We've done it. 2009. 2011. And even in lean years, we still do well. I mean we STARTED Conner Teahan last year and went to the championship game. Conner Teahan. Roll that around in your head a minute. Conner Teahan.



Conner...





Teahan....

Mother****erJones 03-24-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9527663)
We've done it. 2009. 2011. And even in lean years, we still do well. I mean we STARTED Conner Teahan last year and went to the championship game. Conner Teahan. Roll that around in your head a minute. Conner Teahan.



Conner...





Teahan....

LOL ya. You could really see UNCs youth today

Bearcat 03-24-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9527647)

Doesn't matter. NBA drafts on potential, unlike the NFL. McLemore has a ****assload of it. I quit thinking kids should stay when Julian Wright got drafted high after his soph year. He was awful. Couldn't shoot outside of 15 feet, had no strength and really not much for post moves. I thought there was no way he should go. But the fact is the NBA is different.

I remember Wright's game against UCLA in the tournament, and thought about it the other night after McLemore's 18th turnover.

Hopefully McLemore responds like EJ did in Ames and goes off next week, but I'm not getting my hopes up, playing at midfield in the Jerry dome.

Buehler445 03-24-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9527674)
LOL ya. You could really see UNCs youth today

Yeah. Definitely.

I will say I was impressed with McAdoo (Sp?). I thought he was pretty overrated before, but he was pretty heady to go along with his athleticism.

milkman 03-24-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9527647)
Not IMO. Bill is much much more consistent. FFS, he's had 30 wins 6 of the last 7 seasons. That's astronomical. It seemed like, at least when Roy was in KU, he'd take a year off periodically. Probably still applicable with this year and the year he went to the NIT.

Big thing is Roy's teams are soft. Bill's teams typically can't put up points like Roy's teams, but they are ****ing tough.



Doesn't matter. NBA drafts on potential, unlike the NFL. McLemore has a ****assload of it. I quit thinking kids should stay when Julian Wright got drafted high after his soph year. He was awful. Couldn't shoot outside of 15 feet, had no strength and really not much for post moves. I thought there was no way he should go. But the fact is the NBA is different.

Bill Self's Kansas teams have been to the Sweet 16 7 of his 10 years.

I'd call that pretty consistent.

ReynardMuldrake 03-24-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9527674)
LOL ya. You could really see UNCs youth today

I think the Senior leadership made a big difference. All of the Seniors had great games.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-24-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by caligula (Post 9527154)
UNC is Self's personal flesh light...

can't think of a coach who has owned a school so often and so completely....

Michigan. Self is 8-0 against them.

Mother****erJones 03-24-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 9527687)
I think the Senior leadership made a big difference. All of the Seniors had great games.

Im definitely proud of the way UNC fought. Way undersized. Have to run a small lineup while our young big guys develop and settle in

BWillie 03-24-2013 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9527683)
Yeah. Definitely.

I will say I was impressed with McAdoo (Sp?). I thought he was pretty overrated before, but he was pretty heady to go along with his athleticism.

What? You have to be joking...he was terrible. Apparently he thinks he can shoot mid range jumpers. He cannot, ask any UNC fan, but he continues to shoot them. I laughed everytime he put one up. Guy went like 5 of 20 and Withey manhandled him for boards. If I was a UNC fan I would hope he is foolish enough to declare so you dont have to put up w him next year.

Buehler445 03-24-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 9527706)
What? You have to be joking...he was terrible. Apparently he thinks he can shoot mid range jumpers. He cannot, ask any UNC fan, but he continues to shoot them. I laughed everytime he put one up. Guy went like 5 of 20 and Withey manhandled him for boards. If I was a UNC fan I would hope he is foolish enough to declare so you dont have to put up w him next year.

Maybe I'm remembering him wrong, but he got several OReb and did some things in open court. I probably just had an undue hate from the knob slobbering he got from Vitale one game.

I.

HATE.

MOTHER****ING.

DICK.

****ING.

VITALE.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-24-2013 09:53 PM

Hats off to the crowd. I was saying to myself before the game, "These games are in KC, Jayhawk country, so why are there so many blue shirts in the crowd always sitting on their hands in these 'neutral site' games?" Not just in KC, but a lot of the sites the fans never get up on their feet! KC really represented in the KU/UNC game. The best atmosphere of the tournament so far. Great job my fellow KU fans!

GloryDayz 03-25-2013 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9527686)
Bill Self's Kansas teams have been to the Sweet 16 7 of his 10 years.

I'd call that pretty consistent.

This.... If not the top coach in the league, he's right up there with any of them.

ReynardMuldrake 03-25-2013 10:53 AM

Awesome.

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KANSAS CITY, MO. — What saved North Carolina’s season also doomed it in the end. The Tar Heels, who had shot so well recently, went cold from the perimeter against one of the best defensive teams in the nation and suffered a season-ending 70-58 defeat against Kansas on Sunday night in the third round of the NCAA tournament.

This is what UNC coach Roy Williams feared when he changed his strategy midseason and began using a four-guard starting lineup. Before making that change, Williams said he didn’t want the Tar Heels to be a team that lived by the 3-pointer and died by it.

But the Heels’ perimeter offense often gave them life during the past six weeks. It extinguished it on Sunday.

“It definitely was a nightmare in the second half, there’s no question about that,” Williams said when asked if this – a 30.1 percent shooting performance – had represented a nightmare scenario for his team. “… The change in the lineup, I tried to get the best five basketball players on the court for us. We knew we were giving up some rebounding, but we knew we were adding some things offensively from the perimeter.”

The change saved UNC’s season. Entering Sunday, the Tar Heels (25-11) had won nine of their past 11 games with the smaller lineup. But at the Sprint Center on Sunday, Kansas (31-5), which leads the nation in field goal percentage defense, limited the Heels on the outside and didn’t allow anything on the interior, either.

Reggie Bullock, P.J. Hairston and James Michael McAdoo – UNC’s top three scorers – missed far more than they made, both on the perimeter and inside. They combined for 31 points and made 12 of their 43 field goal attempts.

On the outside, Bullock and Hairston, the Heels’ two best shooters, made just four of their 13 3-point attempts.

“We couldn’t make a shot,” Hairston said, “and our missed shots led to their run-outs and they got some open jump shots and layups in transition. And we would come down and we would just miss shots.”

On the inside, meanwhile, McAdoo missed 14 of his 19 attempts from the field. He had difficulty converting open jump shots into points, and even more difficulty trying to score over Jeff Withey, Kansas’ 7-foot senior center.

“Just missed a lot of easy shots,” McAdoo said quietly. “A lot of open jump shots at the rim. Just wasn’t able to finish. Credit that to good defense, I guess.”

The Heels missed an abundance of shots during the first half, too, but still held a 30-21 halftime lead despite shooting 26.2 percent, their second-worst percentage in a half this season. As promising as the nine-point halftime lead might have seemed, the Tar Heels failed to capitalize on opportunities to extend it.

They attempted 14 more shots from the field than Kansas during the first half, and forced 12 Jayhawks turnovers. Kansas made just seven of its 28 field goal attempts in the first half, yet still trailed by less than double-digits at halftime.

“I was OK with the nine-point lead,” Bullock said. “In the second half, we just came out dead flat, for like the first six, eight minutes of the (half).

“Nine points is three possessions … three 3s and you’re right back in it. You can do that in two minutes, or a minute and a half.”

It took Kansas all of four and a half minutes to tie the game at 35. The Jayhawks took the lead for good on their next possession when Travis Releford, the senior guard who led Kansas with 22 points, tipped in a missed shot.

That was a theme for Kansas during the second half: production from Releford. And points close to the basket.

The Jayhawks made 17 shots from the field during the second half and all of them, outside of five 3-pointers, were layups. After such a dreadful performance in the first half, Kansas executed its offense with ease during the final 20 minutes.

“Even though we played miserably the first half, I thought they could have played a lot better, too,” Kansas coach Bill Self said. “At least we kept ourselves within striking distance.”

When things started go badly, though, the Tar Heels failed to stay close.

About four minutes after Kansas took the lead for good, it led by 10, and UNC never again cut its deficit into single digits. The Tar Heels couldn’t make outside shots and their backup plan of trying to penetrate failed, too. Withey blocked five shots but altered countless others.

“I actually told him that after the game – I was like, I couldn’t get over you,” said Dexter Strickland, the UNC senior guard who finished with nine points and three assists in his final collegiate game. “His hands, his arms are just so long, and it was so hard to finish.”

Bullock spoke with tears in his eyes about playing for the final time alongside Strickland, and in the moments after their season ended the Tar Heels sat quietly in front of their lockers.

More than a month ago, in the final moments of a loss at Duke, the Heels had endured chants of “NIT.” Williams in recent weeks had chided those who had “abandoned ship” on his team, and he said he was proud of how far the Tar Heels had come.

What worried him most, though, came to fruition on Sunday. The Tar Heels died by the 3-pointer, and ended their season for the second consecutive March with a loss in Missouri against Kansas.

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Lzen 03-25-2013 11:30 AM

That's good stuff. I said it earlier this season and I know there are some differences, but I think playing ISU and their Euro/NBA 3 point shooting style really helped prepare KU for this type of team going into the NCAA tourney.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-25-2013 12:20 PM

The shots either fall or they don't. They didn't for the Heels.

GloryDayz 03-25-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9528538)
The shots either fall or they don't. They didn't for the Heels.

This... The team that wins it all is the one that can string together enough non-cold days to make it through a field of 64. Perhaps not the only factor before the sweet 16, but after it, any cold day will mean certain death to a team - too much talent in those rounds to survive a bad day shooting..

KU has hit their stride at the perfect time. Good for them and their fans... Talent and good timing for a hot streak is a good way to win it all...

Prison Bitch 03-25-2013 12:27 PM

And yet, when KU lost to Bucknell, Bradley and UNI, that was a sign of being "over-rated". Or they "choked". Or Bill Self was "too afraid of mid majors". Or, or, or, or.



Nobody ever cut KU slack and said, damn: the tourney's a tough deal. 1 and done, bad shooting night and you're out. They were too busy pinning the losses as a sure sign of failure and ordering T-shirts online.

GloryDayz 03-25-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9528555)
And yet, when KU lost to Bucknell, Bradley and UNI, that was a sign of being "over-rated". Or they "choked". Or Bill Self was "too afraid of mid majors". Or, or, or, or.



Nobody ever cut KU slack and said, damn: the tourney's a tough deal. 1 and done, bad shooting night and you're out. They were too busy pinning the losses as a sure sign of failure and ordering T-shirts online.

I think everybody is surprised when a power house goes down to a mid-major in an early round. I do think there is some "overlooking" factor that happens, mix that with a cold night of shooting, and you get last year's Norfolk State for Mizzou. But a focused power house should be able to overcome a somewhat bad night with pure will (in the first round and maybe the 2nd round) I'd think. I don't think they were over-rated at all, but it's not like folks who don't like KU (I'm on of them) wouldn't take the opportunity to dump on you even if it's not right. It's not very often that KU loses, so for those of us who live in KC, on the Missouri side, we have to take our digs when we can. But I must admit, I don't think I called them over-rated. In the case of Bucknell, having family who graduated from there, it was just sweet. Then again, being from Va. Beach originally, left me wide open to plenty of "back home" criticism form the friends too. That being said, I'm a Chiefs fan so having insults lobbed at me about my team's failures means little anymore.

lcarus 03-25-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9526910)
Michighan is gonna pack you guys shit in tight... You are not good... You struggled against 2 easy teams

This is a classic case of "I'm angry my team just lost to your team so your team is gonna get SMASHED in the next round. Also, you guys aren't a good team."

No worries though. I've been there before. Making reeruned comments after a loss such as "you struggled against so and so, therefore you will lose soon" even though you know damn well high seeded teams have barely survived against low seeded teams and then gone on to do great things the rest of the way. It only happens just about every god damn tournament since its inception.

But as I said, don't fret. I've done the exact same thing after a loss before. I'm not proud of it.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-25-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9528555)
And yet, when KU lost to Bucknell, Bradley and UNI, that was a sign of being "over-rated". Or they "choked". Or Bill Self was "too afraid of mid majors". Or, or, or, or.




Nobody ever cut KU slack and said, damn: the tourney's a tough deal. 1 and done, bad shooting night and you're out. They were too busy pinning the losses as a sure sign of failure and ordering T-shirts online.


That's the difference between playing UNC and Bucknell and the ilk ROFL Mizzou certainly doesn't get a pass for a lights out Norfolk St. team. It was a pathetic loss just like those for the Beaks.

Reerun_KC 03-25-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9528587)
I think everybody is surprised when a power house goes down to a mid-major in an early round. I do think there is some "overlooking" factor that happens, mix that with a cold night of shooting, and you get last year's Norfolk State for Mizzou. But a focused power house should be able to overcome a somewhat bad night with pure will (in the first round and maybe the 2nd round) I'd think. I don't think they were over-rated at all, but it's not like folks who don't like KU (I'm on of them) wouldn't take the opportunity to hang a banner even if it's not right. It's not very often that KU loses, so for those of us who live in KC, on the Missouri side, we have to take our digs when we can. But I must admit, I don't think I called them over-rated. In the case of Bucknell, having family who graduated from there, it was just sweet. Then again, being from Va. Beach originally, left me wide open to plenty of "back home" criticism form the friends too. That being said, I'm a Chiefs fan so having insults lobbed at me about my team's failures means little anymore.

:LOL:

Prison Bitch 03-25-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9528671)
That's the difference between playing UNC and Bucknell and the ilk ROFL Mizzou certainly doesn't get a pass for a lights out Norfolk St. team. It was a pathetic loss just like those for the Beaks.

Honestly though, I think Bradley & Northern Iowa were just as good as yesterday's UNC team. And Pomeroy agrees, rating them all in the mid-20s strength wise. Who cares what the name on the jersey reads? Florida Gulf Coast would rip Kentucky right now. Names are meaningless on a one-year basis.


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